Nilay Patel said Atlassian laid off about 10% of the company in March, announced in a Loom video by Mike Cannon-Brookes.
“In March, you laid off about 10% of the company. I watched the video you made in in Loom about that.”
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13 episodes · 42 quoted claims
- 28 Sep 2026The SaaSpocalypse that wasn't, with Atlassian's CEO1h 22m
- 20 Apr 2026Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software1h 12m
- 30 Mar 2026Okta's CEO is betting big on AI agent identity1h 13m
- 2 Feb 2026Docusign's CEO on the dangers of trusting AI to read, and write, your contracts1h 10m
- 15 Dec 2025Stack Overflow users don't trust AI. They're using it anyway1h 11m
- 1 Dec 2025IBM CEO Arvind Krishna says there is no AI bubble after all1h 17m
- 27 Oct 2025LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here1h 11m
- 14 Jul 2025How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy1h 9m
- 7 Apr 2025UiPath CEO Daniel Dines on AI agents replacing our jobs1h 13m
- 13 Jan 2025Why CEO Matt Garman is willing to bet AWS on AI1h 10m
- 10 Jun 2024AI will make money sooner than you think, says Cohere CEO Aidan Gomez1h 15m
- 13 May 2024Why Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen is confident we'll all adapt to AI1h 5m
- 9 Jan 2024How Adobe is managing the AI copyright dilemma, with general counsel Dana Rao1h 27m
Nilay Patel said Atlassian acquired The Browser Company for a little over $600 million about a year before the interview.
“You acquired a company called the Browser Company, uh, I think, for a little over 600 million. That was a a year ago.”
Nilay Patel said there are reports that Mark Zuckerberg wants managers at Meta to lead teams of fifty people empowered by AI.
“Mark Zuckerberg, there there are reports that he wants managers to have teams of fifty empowered by AI somewhere inside of Meta.”
Nilay Patel said Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed saying he would replace roles that measure and audit work with AI.
“We talked a lot about his Wall Street Journal op-ed where he said, I'm gonna fire all the measurers at the company because I can replace them with AI.”
Nilay Patel recalled that UiPath CEO Daniel Dines pitched software robots that operate old systems such as Windows 3.1 rather than modernizing healthcare billing backends.
“I always had Daniel Dines from UiPath on the show. And instead of modernizing your healthcare billing system, he would just build robots that would use Windows 3.1 for you, right?”
Nilay Patel said Meta's Muse gives each user a cloud computer with eight gigabytes of RAM and storage and a web browser that an AI agent can use.
“and the power of Muse is that Mark Zuckerberg has given everybody eight gigs of RAM and eight gigs of storage in the cloud with a web browser.”
Nilay Patel cited Canva's annualized revenue as about $4 billion, of which about $500 million came from enterprise.
“you're at 4 billion in annualized revenue, 500 million of which is enterprise”
Nilay Patel read a 2025 remark from Mark Zuckerberg to Ben Thompson that businesses would soon tell Meta their goals and get results without making creative or targeting choices.
“you tell us what your objective is, you connect to your bank account. You don't need any creative, you don't need any targeting, you don't need any measurement.”
Nilay Patel said Adobe's CEO had announced his departure and that a successor had not been named.
“Jonathan Ryan is leaving Adobe. He announced he's going. We don't know who the new C E O is gonna be.”
Nilay Patel said Okta has a market capitalization of about $14 billion.
“all that is a big business. Okta has 14 billion dollar market cap.”
Okta's CEO was asked about the 'SaaSpocalypse' on a recent earnings call.
“Okta had earnings, you're on the call. They asked you about the SaaSpocalypse, which I I wanna talk about in detail”
Nilay Patel described people buying Mac Minis to run OpenClaw separately from their main machines while still giving it their logins and passwords.
“everyone is buying Mac Minis so they can air gap open claw from their production machine, and then they're just giving open claw all of their logins and passwords on the Mac Mini.”
Nilay Patel said Meta announced that one manager would oversee fifty individual contributors.
“think Meta announced that, like, one manager will now oversee fifty ICS”
Nilay Patel said Google Photos walked back its AI search because people preferred regular search.
“Google Photos just walked back its AI search because it turns out people prefer the regular search.”
Okta announced a blueprint for the agentic enterprise with three pillars: onboarding agents as identities, standardizing connection points and a kill switch.
“Okta's announced a a blueprint for agentic enterprise. It's it's basically got 3 big pillars, right?”
Nilay Patel said Discord faced controversy over an outside age-verification vendor and rolled the change back.
“Discord just had a big controversy cause they went to an outside vendor, people had a lot of feelings about that outside vendor, and Discord rolled that back.”
IBM's Watson AI system won the quiz show Jeopardy in 2011.
“Watson, the company's famous A I supercomputer, won Jeopardy in 2011, but since then, as far as most of us are concerned, it's been mostly ads during football games and not a lot else.”
Arvind Krishna became CEO of IBM in 2020 after almost thirty years at the company.
“you took over as CEO in 2020, you'd been at the company for almost thirty years when that happened.”
Nilay Patel says GPUs in data centers are failing at a rate between three and nine percent.
“The GPUs go bad, right? They're failing at a rate between three and nine percent already in the data data centers.”
Gary Smith is the CEO of Ciena, a company that does fiber multiplexing, and was a recent Decoder guest.
“We just had Gary Smith, who's the CEO of Ciena. They do fiber multiplexing.”
Nilay Patel says Microsoft's press release on its restructured OpenAI deal repeatedly says terms expire when OpenAI declares AGI.
“The the press release from Microsoft announcing the restructured deal with OpenAI several times mentions in bullets that the terms expire when OpenAI declares AGI.”
Nilay Patel says a court recently had to rescind an opinion that contained a hallucinated case citation.
“there was just a case where I I believe a court had to rescind an opinion because it had a hallucinated case citation in it.”
Nilay Patel cites Judge John Bush, a Trump appointee, as having pointed to the emergence of corpus linguistics in law and the idea of using AI to review word usage for originalism.
“John Bush is a Trump-appointed judge. He's he cited the emergence of corpus linguistics in the legal field.”
Nilay Patel says the Trump administration argues the Fourteenth Amendment's phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' does not mean what courts have long taken it to mean on birthright citizenship.
“now the Trump administration is saying there's nope, actually, that's not what subject to the jurisdiction thereof means.”
Daniel Dines stepped down as co-CEO of UiPath to become Chief Innovation Officer, making Rob Enslin the sole CEO.
“In January of last year, Daniel actually stepped down as co-CEO to become Chief Innovation Officer, and Rob became the sole CEO.”
Rob Enslin was a Google Cloud executive whom Daniel Dines brought into UiPath to help steer the company after its public listing.
“Rob Enslin, a Google Cloud executive he brought on to help steer UiPath after it went public.”
When Daniel Dines retook the CEO role, UiPath cut about 400 people, roughly 10% of the company.
“you cut about 400 people, you let off 10% of the company.”
Nilay Patel says robotic process automation has existed since the early 2000s and is meant to solve a major problem for organizations.
“robotic process automation, which has been around since the early 2000s and aims to solve a pretty big problem”
Nilay Patel says Vox Media has a Slack room called finance support where employees ask a robot to file invoices and give receipts.
“We have a room, it's called finance support, and in this room, people just ask a slack robot to do stuff, file invoices, give receipts”
Nilay Patel said Amazon's AI push includes more than $8 billion in funding for Anthropic, its own AI chips to compete with Nvidia, and nuclear power investments.
“That includes more than 8 billion in funding for Anthropic, a huge push to build its own AI chips to compete with Nvidia, and even nuclear power investments”
After the interview was recorded, Amazon announced an $11 billion investment to expand its data center operations in Georgia.
“after Matt and I had this conversation, the company announced 11 billion dollar investment to expand its data center operations in Georgia.”
Nilay Patel said Sam Altman recently stated that AGI will be possible on current hardware.
“Sam Altman, uh, recently said AGI will be possible on current hardware, and OpenAI is making a lot of noise about AGI for a variety of reasons”
Nilay Patel referred to an $8 billion Amazon investment in Anthropic tied to building a data center and running Anthropic's Claude.
“there's an $8,000, 000,000 investment in Anthropic to help build a data center and then run Anthropic and Claude.”
Adobe began in the early 1980s by developing PostScript, which became the first industry standard for connecting computers to printers.
“developing something called PostScript that became the first industry standard for connecting computers to printers”
Shantanu Narayen led Adobe's pivot to subscription software with Creative Cloud in 2012.
“he was the CEO who led the company's pivot to subscription software with Creative Cloud in 2012”
Shantanu Narayen joined Adobe in 1998, when desktop software was sold in boxed copies.
“Shantanu joined the company in 1998, when desktop software was a thing you sold in boxed copies on a shelf”
Shantanu Narayen became Adobe's CEO in 2007 after joining the company in 1998.
“You have been there since 1998. You became CEO in 2007.”
Nilay Patel noted that Adobe has a partnership with OpenAI to use Sora in Premiere.
“And then you have a partnership with OpenAI to use Sora and Premiere, and that might be cheaper than developing on your own.”
Adobe owns a large analytics suite that it acquired through its purchase of Omniture.
“You own a big analytics suite that you acquired with Omniture back in the day.”
On the day of the interview, an additional set of newspapers sued OpenAI for copyright infringement.
“It bears mentioning that literally today, as we're speaking, an additional set of newspapers has sued OpenAI for copyright infringement.”