# Alanis Morissette (Live)

- **Show:** Good Hang with Amy Poehler
- **Published:** 3 Nov 2026
- **Source:** https://traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5266429675.mp3
- **Transcript:** https://podcasts.opennash.com/shows/good-hang/alanis-morissette-live-867425/
- **Provider:** OpenNash Podcasts (machine-generated)

## In brief

This live Chicago taping argues that the loudest, most confident public figures are often nervous and sensitive underneath, and that real growth means becoming whole rather than endlessly self-improving. Alanis Morissette describes herself as a shaky poodle inside and a black stallion outside. She treats anger, comedy and even shyness as useful signals rather than flaws.

The episode moves from a fan's warm tribute to a loose, funny conversation that keeps turning serious. Alanis goes from early fame, anger and feminism to emotional 'parts', wholeness and the limits of meditation. The tension is between public image and private feeling, and between the wellness industry's push to fix yourself and her idea that you simply remember who you are.

## Key insights

1. **Alanis says anger is a signal, not destruction** She argues anger marks a crossed boundary and can drive change when it is not acted out destructively. She says she wanted 'You Oughta Know' as the first single even though many thought it too harsh from a woman.
2. **Public image is projection, not who she is** Alanis says fame is a screen people project onto. She asks whether a perception triggers her: if it does, it points to something in herself to examine; if not, it is either projection or a moment of feeling seen.
3. **Wholeness differs from wellness and constant improvement** She says wellness leaves out the darker 'shadow' parts, while wholeness means nothing needs adding or fixing. Amy adds that women face pressure to keep getting better and should be allowed to stop.
4. **Meditation can backfire for people in trauma** Alanis says sitting alone with harsh protective inner voices can be dangerous for someone near healing from trauma. She cites Peter Levine's term for meditation-induced anxiety and says it is bliss for some but not everyone.
5. **Both women picture their minds as many parts** Alanis says there are thousands of parts inside her and she talks to them one at a time, as she would with her kids. Amy pictures hers around a table, including a 'Tony Soprano' ego, a framing she links to the film Inside Out.

## Questions this episode answers

### Who is Alanis Morissette and why is she on this episode?

She is the singer-songwriter behind the 1995 album Jagged Little Pill. She joined Amy Poehler for a live Good Hang taping in Chicago, partly to promote her new holiday album.

### What does Alanis mean by 'wholeness' versus 'wellness'?

She says the wellness movement means well but leaves out the darker, harder parts of a person. Wholeness, in her view, is not adding or fixing anything but remembering who you are and being around people who reflect you accurately.

### Why does Alanis say meditation is overrated?

She says that for people in the middle of trauma, sitting alone with their thoughts can leave them with mean protective inner voices and no resources to cope. She notes it is blissful for some people, just not everyone.

### Why did people object to 'You Oughta Know' as a first single?

Alanis says some thought it was too harsh to hear anger from a woman. She replied that anger was the right note to start on, because she loves anger and sees it as a healthy response to a crossed boundary.

### What is on Alanis's holiday album?

She says she did one Christmas song a year for several years and then finished a full album. It features Steve Martin on banjo and Martin Short, and Amy names Brandi Carlile as a collaborator.

## Facts

- **Kelly Kroyer** [0:12:40]: "Both of my parents were actually Chicago police officers"
- **Kelly Kroyer** [0:14:42]: "I started my now 22 career, 22 year career in hotel hospitality, so I kinda just accidentally stuck with it."
- **Kelly Kroyer** [0:18:35]: "I did about 15 years ago when she came into town in Ravinia and I got tickets last minute."
- **Kelly Kroyer** [0:17:18]: "Uninvited was really my favorite song at the time, and it was just it. It helped me through a lot of stuff."
- **Amy Poehler** [0:20:12]: "She is the mother of three. She is like she feels like a person in the world, as well as this big, famous, talented singer."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:27:47]: "Every episode I've seen 19 times, and when I first moved to LA."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:27:47]: "And then, uh, years later, I was at Starbucks at a movie theater and he walked right up to me and he goes, Alanis, and I was like, Oh my God."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:29:14]: "I was always writing songs, uh, and I sent a tape, a cassette tape, to a friend of a family, our of our family. His name's Lindsay Morgan."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:30:21]: "I thought, Well, I still wanna share this music, so we started a record label when I was ten or eleven."
- **Amy Poehler** [0:32:51]: "And you have this moment, uh, where you decide to make this record with Glen Ballard, and you're twenty one."
- **Amy Poehler** [0:35:36]: "1995, you know, that was when it wa when the record came out, 95."
- **Amy Poehler** [0:37:41]: "where you wanted. You oughta know to be the first single, and a lot of people didn't."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:34:32]: "I'll usually write about 25 songs for a record and then pick twelve-ish."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:47:21]: "no, wellness. I think the wellness movement was well intended, uh, but that leaves out all the other parts"
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:50:29]: "Peter Levine calls it, um, something like anxiety, or, uh, meditation induced anxiety."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:44:22]: "and I auditioned tons of people, and he came in and he was just instant soul brother."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:54:23]: "I never cared about Christmas, and then my son was born Christmas morning, and now I really care."
- **Amy Poehler** [0:55:15]: "And so you have a really great collaborator, Brandy Carlisle."
- **Amy Poehler** [0:57:34]: "and in your Christmas album, you have Steve Martin playing banjo."
- **Alanis Morissette** [0:58:40]: "Oh, this is my moment. We're at the Brit Awards."
- **Alanis Morissette** [1:03:47]: "I did it for charity, cause there was no way I was gonna be able to train without doing it for charity."
- **Amy Poehler** [1:05:58]: "A lot of people don't know you're a twin. What's the twinniest thing about you?"

## Transcript

**[0:00:05] Amy Poehler:** Hello, Chicago, Hello everyone. This is Amy Poehler. Welcome to the Vic. We are so excited that you're here and thank you so much for coming. Just a quick announcement. Now would be a great time to silence your cell phones or put it on vibrate and shove it down your pants. Are you guys ready for a great show? Thank you so much. Welcome to Good Hang Live Chicago. And as we get started, I want to introduce our musical guest for the evening.

**[0:00:48] Amy Poehler:** Give it up for Amy Miles, everybody Amy Miles. So here it is. This is the theme of Good Hang. We're so excited to play it for you. And I know that, um, it was a rumor that this was that it was Amy singing the theme song, which I'm flattered. I love it, but no, it's this one. You ready? Oh my god, here we go. All right. Oh, this is a audience participation. Okay, quickly. So I'm gonna teach you guys a really hard thing to do.

**[0:01:27] Amy Poehler:** Are you ready? You're going to clap like 16 times really fast. Okay, it's gonna. We're gonna practice it once. Are we ready? We go one, two, three, clap. Okay, well, I don't know if that was 16. It sounded right. You just clap until it gets weird. Are you ready? One, two, three, clap. Nice. No consequences and no offenses. Then my arm break a bone. Come about the city in the lay your summer. Everybody, everybody, everybody's gone.

**[0:02:18] Amy Poehler:** Everybody, everybody, everybody's gone. Everybody, everybody, everybody's gone. Everybody, everybody, everybody's gone. Everybody's gone. Woohoo! Go ahead from the heart, go ahead with a bang. What's up? What do you say? I don't ever want. It was really good. Hey, hold my hand. See if I'm breathing. Till to the right and start believing. Money's not a dress that the party started. Money's not a party that starts tonight. What do you say? It starts tonight. What do you say?

**[0:03:14] Amy Poehler:** Party? You broke my heart. When I see you, I turn and go home. What's up? What do you say? I don't ever want. It was really good. Hey, what do you say? I don't ever want. It was really good. Hey, people of Chicago, are you ready for your host? Here comes the hottest Amy in town tonight. Miss Amy Poehler. Hi, Hey, Mr. P. Hello Amy Miles. Chris Anderson. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. Shine at gift giving this year by planning ahead.

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**[0:04:08] Speaker 4:** Woop, whoop, whoop.

**[0:04:08] Amy Poehler:** Hello, Chicago. It's really nice to be back. Two zero PM show, baby. Can you believe it? Isn't it great?

**[0:05:25] Amy Poehler:** Isn't it great? You're welcome. We'll be done before four. You still have some sun, you get to get in your pajamas by six. You could watch a show tonight, you could do two things, two cultural things in one day. It's incredible. Hello, Chicago, you know, it's so nice to be back. Um, uh, we are here because you made it happen. We we reached out to our good hang fans and asked, Where should we go? And you said Chicago, and we could not be happier.

**[0:06:04] Amy Poehler:** This is the best city in the world, indeed. And Chicago, uh, is where I started my comedy career. Uh, well, I didn't get paid for it, but um, I did do it here, and um, I worked at a bunch of restaurants in Chicago. I started working at a place called Uh, um, Carlucci's. Does anyone remember Carlucci's? Yeah, lot of cocaine at Carlucci's. Not in the food, not in the food. Um, Chicago, we love you, and by the way, congratulations on a beautiful day, right?

**[0:06:50] Amy Poehler:** You? As we know, this time of year, it can go either way. It it's the the Wi winter is coming, as they say in Game of Thrones. And we love this time of year. Where you guys are running in shorts and you're just trying to get that sun for as long as you can. Until you get stuck in the dark closet of Chicago winter, never to see the sun again. But congrats on global warming for you guys, cause that is better.

**[0:07:20] Amy Poehler:** Uh, but but did did anybody here write in to get us to Chicago? Like, did anybody? Thank you, thank you for doing that. We got a lot of responses. I should know the number. Um, and uh, and Chicago won, and um, it, it does. It's not. Does not surprise me because this city is incredible and it supports its artists. And I'll say that this city is a city that you can learn in, you can perform in, you can feel supported in.

**[0:07:52] Amy Poehler:** And everyone I love comes from Chicago, so thank you, Chicago, for what you have given me and thank you for being here. We really appreciate it. We'd also like to thank PayPal PayPal. Thank you, PayPal, thank you, PayPal, presented by PayPal. Thank you very much. Um, and thank you to Spotify and everybody who helped get the show up and running. So, um, you know, I never, I never know, um, how to, uh, reveal who our guest is.

**[0:08:29] Amy Poehler:** Um, and sometimes it's it's, you know, in this case, I think it was revealed online a little bit. But is there anybody here who doesn't know who our who our guest is? Exciting, very exciting. Well, um, uh, you know, we always, um, invite somebody on the podcast to talk well behind our guests back to, um, give stories or a point of view. And we ask friends, sometimes we ask family members, sometimes we ask fans. And so we thought, because today is a day where we're celebrating the good hang fans, we could also celebrate fans in general.

**[0:09:09] Amy Poehler:** And so our first guest today is a fan of our guest, and they're gonna talk well behind their back because they love her. And then we are gonna bring out our guest. But, you know, I don't like to tease. I don't think it's nice, so you should know that joining me later on stage this afternoon is Alanis Morissette. Cannot wait to talk to Alanis and, um, cannot wait to get into it. But before we do that, we're gonna check in with someone, a Chicago native.

**[0:09:50] Amy Poehler:** I've never met this person, I'm very excited she's joining us. She was recently in marketing, but is now a stay at home mom, and she's born and raised in Chicago. She counts herself as a huge Alanis Morissette fan, and I hope a somewhat middling good hang fan. Let's bring up Kelly Kroyer from Chicago. Kelly, are you here? This episode is brought to you by Subaru. There's something about being on the road that has a way of leading to those unexpectedly memorable little moments.

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**[0:11:01] Speaker 4:** Woop, whoop, whoop.

**[0:11:01] Amy Poehler:** Hi, nice to meet you. Have a seat. Kelly's here, everybody. Kelly's here. Mr. P. Hi, Kelly from Chicago. Hello, are you nervous?

**[0:11:16] Kelly Kroyer:** Just a tiny bit.

**[0:11:17] Amy Poehler:** Okay, no, no reason to be nervous, everyone. This is Kelly. Hi, everybody, Kelly, you are an Alanis Morissette fan. I am, I am Okay, well, let's get into how much you love her, but before we do that, let's talk about you. Where in Chicago are you from?

**[0:11:36] Kelly Kroyer:** Um, I was born and raised in Chicago, we're actually on the north side, so if you flew into O'Hare Airport, I am right in that neck of the woods.

**[0:11:41] Amy Poehler:** What can we do about the ride from O'Hare into?

**[0:11:47] Kelly Kroyer:** Fair question. Half of the reasons why I left corporate America cause of that ride into the city.

**[0:11:51] Amy Poehler:** It is brutal? It is, it is, What can we? I guess we could live near O'Hare, that you could, would help. you could. Yeah, Yeah,

**[0:11:58] Kelly Kroyer:** yeah. I take the train a lot, so I depended on the CTA a lot.

**[0:12:01] Amy Poehler:** and how long does it take you? Let's get into traffic.

**[0:12:04] Kelly Kroyer:** Yeah, it's about 45 min door to door.

**[0:12:07] Amy Poehler:** Well, that's not that much shorter than the drive.

**[0:12:10] Kelly Kroyer:** And you get to, you know, work on some stuff you don't That's have to, like,

**[0:12:12] Amy Poehler:** true, it's better to be the driver. concentrate on driving and Yeah,

**[0:12:14] Kelly Kroyer:** all that stuff.

**[0:12:15] Amy Poehler:** but we hear it. Good hang. Love global warming, so that's not gonna work. Um, so you're a Chicago girl, excuse me, woman.

**[0:12:28] Kelly Kroyer:** what?

**[0:12:29] Amy Poehler:** And um, what do your parents do? Like, what were you like as a cause? We're? You're a little younger than me, you're in your forties,

**[0:12:36] Kelly Kroyer:** Uh, forty two.

**[0:12:36] Amy Poehler:** okay? So what was it like growing up in Chicago in the eighties?

**[0:12:40] Kelly Kroyer:** It was wonderful. Both of my parents were actually Chicago police officers, so Both? P Both, yes, both of them were yes, yeah, so that's cool, I couldn't sneak out anywhere.

**[0:12:53] Amy Poehler:** you know, you don't hear a family where both are police officers.

**[0:12:57] Kelly Kroyer:** it was incredible. They had some great stories. Um, I was sheltered a little bit because of those stories, but were you it was fantastic.

**[0:13:03] Amy Poehler:** allowed to date?

**[0:13:04] Kelly Kroyer:** Uh, I was. My dad wasn't really thrilled with it, but I was much later.

**[0:13:08] Amy Poehler:** did you? Do you? Were you ever at a party that was broken up by one of your parents?

**[0:13:14] Kelly Kroyer:** Oh my gosh, no, but that would've been a great story if I was. No. I was a very like G-rated kid. I really didn't go to a lot of parties.

**[0:13:22] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, I know it's okay. You don't wanna peek too early, Yeah, there, yeah, you don't wanna peek too early. And did you ever think about going into law enforcement?

**[0:13:29] Kelly Kroyer:** everyone asked me that. No, absolutely not. I steered clear of that. My parents weren't too thrilled, but they're like, you they wanted finally, your s.

**[0:13:36] Amy Poehler:** you to go in.

**[0:13:37] Kelly Kroyer:** They wanted me. Yeah, they they. They thought I was. I mean, my mom actually had two careers. She was a flight attendant before that, left that and became a cop, and it Whoa was, yeah, and she loved it, and they wanted me to do it and follow suit, so I

**[0:13:48] Amy Poehler:** is there.

**[0:13:48] Kelly Kroyer:** did not.

**[0:13:48] Amy Poehler:** Is there any flight attendants in the audience? They're flying. Um, I get it, but what? Why? I ask is that being a flight attendant and B being a police officer are two totally closer than I

**[0:14:04] Kelly Kroyer:** different things.

**[0:14:04] Amy Poehler:** was gonna say, closer than ever,

**[0:14:09] Kelly Kroyer:** This is true. Val, this closer is very true.

**[0:14:10] Amy Poehler:** than ever.

**[0:14:11] Kelly Kroyer:** this is true. this is very, very true.

**[0:14:14] Amy Poehler:** Did you get your party on in college?

**[0:14:18] Kelly Kroyer:** I did. I went to a community college beforehand where I got all that out of my system before I transferred over.

**[0:14:23] Amy Poehler:** yeah, cause would you guys agree that if you don't get it out in high school, then y it comes out in college?

**[0:14:28] Kelly Kroyer:** I think so, I think so.

**[0:14:33] Amy Poehler:** And did they did your parents break up any college parties? No, oh my gosh, No No, I would have loved no.

**[0:14:39] Kelly Kroyer:** to have heard those stories if they

**[0:14:39] Amy Poehler:** And so what did you did. do when you left school?

**[0:14:42] Kelly Kroyer:** Um, I actually walked up and down a street called River Road by O'Hare Airport to get a job at a front desk. Cause my parents weren't gonna allow me to sort of just not have one. And I started my now 22 career, 22 year career in hotel hospitality, so I kinda just accidentally stuck with it.

**[0:14:58] Amy Poehler:** Oh wow, 22 years in hotels. I'm sure you've been asked this question, uh, but never in front of an audience.

**[0:15:06] Kelly Kroyer:** This is a first.

**[0:15:08] Amy Poehler:** What was one of the more specific or strange requests you had in hospitality from a person in a hotel?

**[0:15:18] Kelly Kroyer:** There's so many I don't Oh, good, even know where to start. okay, say Uh, it would. five, We had a guest one time that just hated our beds but wouldn't stay anywhere else. Uh, and then they insisted on putting a board under the beds to make it harder, even though the purpose of sleeping is to be comfy and not uncomfortable. So we found we had to get engineering up there, remove the whole mattress, put the board under the mattress for this man.

**[0:15:42] Kelly Kroyer:** And

**[0:15:42] Amy Poehler:** Did he pay extra?

**[0:15:44] Kelly Kroyer:** I can't remember, but he should have.

**[0:15:46] Amy Poehler:** I bet he did. He, I. I hope he had a board fee.

**[0:15:48] Kelly Kroyer:** Yeah, we there should be. There's amenity fees for everything now. So

**[0:15:51] Amy Poehler:** yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting. He couldn't stay anywhere else, but he didn't like the bed, and it was a man. Interesting, just interesting to me. So Kelly, um, how would you describe your musical taste?

**[0:16:12] Kelly Kroyer:** you know, I didn't really discover music until I discovered Alanis early on, and um, sh, she's kind of it. Her style of music made me sort of expand a little bit more. I. I heard this angry woman on the radio one day in, like, nineteen, ninety eight, and I was like, I wanna know more about her and hear more about her. And, uh, she really is. My style is just, you know, get get all those words out, tell us how you feel.

**[0:16:36] Amy Poehler:** yes, I wanna talk to thank you for bringing that up, cause I wanna talk about e even the word angry, cause it's an interesting word, right? Like, there's, yes, like there was this feeling. When we first heard her that we were being spoken for and we were spoke being spoken for by somebody who really knew how to use her words. Yeah, and it was, it was thrilling, it was thrilling. Do you remember we were you? W?

**[0:17:02] Amy Poehler:** U? W. How old were you then? Was it nine?

**[0:17:05] Kelly Kroyer:** I just remember it was like freshman year of high school, I was like ninety eight, and I didn't know anything about anything. And I heard her music and it sort of just guided me through the last next four years, really. Really? Her Yeah, yeah,

**[0:17:17] Amy Poehler:** record did that?

**[0:17:18] Kelly Kroyer:** yeah, yeah, you know, Uninvited was really my favorite song at the time, and it was just it. It helped me through a lot of stuff. So yeah, yeah,

**[0:17:27] Amy Poehler:** what did it? Um, you know, I feel like music can do that, it can articulate something that you can't figure out at the, you know, without certainly, uh, feeling. A gift to get too personal. What was it connecting to you, feelings wise, in that in that stage of your life?

**[0:17:40] Kelly Kroyer:** um, I'm an only child, so I felt kind of very alone a lot, um, as most only children, I think, do. And I think it was sort of just like I felt like somebody was holding my hand for the first time. When I I heard her music and like, you got this kind of giving me a pep talk through the music, so

**[0:17:53] Amy Poehler:** Yes, so true. Well said, well said, Kelly. Um, do you play any music? or do you

**[0:18:03] Kelly Kroyer:** I am, I don't play any,

**[0:18:04] Amy Poehler:** do you sing?

**[0:18:05] Kelly Kroyer:** I do not.

**[0:18:07] Amy Poehler:** Do you sing secretly?

**[0:18:08] Kelly Kroyer:** I do very well in my shower, very, very well in my shower.

**[0:18:12] Amy Poehler:** do you sing along with Alanis music, I definitely do. Yeah, right? It's yeah, how can V. It's,

**[0:18:18] Kelly Kroyer:** you not?

**[0:18:19] Amy Poehler:** I agree. It feels like this, very like, I like an incantation that we're all supposed to join in on. Um, and I, you know, another thing that I do wanna talk to her about is the idea of, like, finding your voice and the power of a voice. Did you ever see her perform?

**[0:18:35] Kelly Kroyer:** I did about 15 years ago when she came into town in Ravinia and I got tickets last minute. And I scrounged my way all the way up to the front and I just didn't leave. And I loved it every moment.

**[0:18:45] Amy Poehler:** Oh, you were at the front. Yeah, I Were you afraid you were gonna get squished?

**[0:18:49] Kelly Kroyer:** uh, no. Well, the front had some seating and I was on lawn, but I found my way right up to that corner where I could just find my pocket. And, uh, even if I did get squished, I wouldn't

**[0:18:59] Amy Poehler:** you wouldn't mind.

**[0:18:59] Kelly Kroyer:** have cared.

**[0:19:00] Amy Poehler:** And do you remember who she w? Was there an opener? Do you? Anything

**[0:19:02] Kelly Kroyer:** I couldn't remember.

**[0:19:03] Amy Poehler:** about that day?

**[0:19:03] Kelly Kroyer:** I can't remember most of yesterday,

**[0:19:05] Amy Poehler:** Was it a fest? so I know I can't either, I really can't. Was it a festival?

**[0:19:09] Kelly Kroyer:** there was an opener. Or I think she was the main act, for sure, and there might have been a really nice opener. I just don't remember who it was.

**[0:19:13] Amy Poehler:** and Ravinia is like an outdoor.

**[0:19:15] Kelly Kroyer:** Yeah, it's an outdoor venue, um, up north, it's beautiful, I'm sure a lot of people here know about it. Um, you could bring your picnic up with you

**[0:19:22] Amy Poehler:** Oh, that's cool.

**[0:19:23] Kelly Kroyer:** and just sit on the lawn and enjoy whatever show's happening there. It's amazing, so

**[0:19:27] Amy Poehler:** And how far is that from O'Hare?

**[0:19:32] Kelly Kroyer:** little too far.

**[0:19:32] Amy Poehler:** During traffic time? How long will it

**[0:19:34] Kelly Kroyer:** Oh, a long time.

**[0:19:34] Amy Poehler:** take? Um, uh, and the last thing I wanted to ask you about Alanis, as we talk well behind her back, is, um, what, what do you think is the thing that we still like? She's continuing to make vital, interesting, curious stuff many years after Jagged Little Pill. She's, uh, she has one, one thousand awards she has done Broadway, she has, she has, she has spoken, uh, in the in in. She does, like, incredible, um, speeches about the idea of wholeness.

**[0:20:12] Amy Poehler:** She is the mother of three. She is like she feels like a person in the world, as well as this big, famous, talented singer. What do you think it is about her that, um, draws us to her as an artist?

**[0:20:27] Kelly Kroyer:** god, that's a great question. I mean, truly, I. I lean a lot on the fact that she's a mom and she gets it. And she can share that time. It seems like with her family and all these wonderful things she's doing with her music and her, like any philanthropy that she does. She's finding the way to do it and showing us that it's possible, but also making her family probably the priority. So

**[0:20:46] Amy Poehler:** Okay, so we always ask our guests who come in to speak about our guest to, uh, give me a question to ask them. Do you have a question that you think I should ask? Alanis? Today?

**[0:20:57] Kelly Kroyer:** they sure do so. My question is, is there a song that you wrote early in your career that you understand differently now? Not because the lyrics changed, but because you did, and what does that song mean to you now?

**[0:21:10] Amy Poehler:** Wow, Kelly Kroyer, everybody, give it up for Kelly Kroyer. Wow, Kelly, you're hired. Um, okay, so let's get started with our um, our podcast guest today. Um, she has stolen our hearts since the minute we met her, and she always tells the truth. A true badass, grown ass woman. Give it up for Alanis Morissette, everybody. Woo, Alanis.

**[0:22:29] Amy Poehler:** Hi, should we just stare at each other? Welcome to Chicago. Thank you for coming here.

**[0:22:35] Kelly Kroyer:** Thank you for having me.

**[0:22:37] Amy Poehler:** Oh my god, all right. They said I was live and I said, absolute thrill. Um, you know, I, I. I've gotten to know you from your work, and I've gotten to hear you speak about your work. And I just wanna say, so thrilled to have you here. Because I know that you are a person that shows up and likes to get into the deep end, which is like,

**[0:23:00] Alanis Morissette:** no small talk dot com

**[0:23:04] Amy Poehler:** What are your favorite movies? bridesmaids. But um, but you're, you know, I, I've, I've. I've listened to you speak about so many things. And you have this ability, I think, to synthesize really complex information in a way that makes welcomes us in, and I really appreciate that. Oh, thanks for saying You do it in your work, you do it in your life. And so, um, what is the best thing about being the age you are now?

**[0:23:33] Amy Poehler:** everything. I Yeah,

**[0:23:35] Alanis Morissette:** highly recommend getting older. Um, well, menopause is just magic. It's just every stone, everything identity, service, value systems, relationships. Who is God? How to, how to talk to these parts, these billions of parts in here. Yeah, be responsible for what this is and not make it everyone else's problem.

**[0:24:01] Amy Poehler:** yeah. 2 min in Who is God? Alanis Morissette? I love it, I love it so much. I'm so with you. I mean, I, I'm because I love it, because because you're absolutely right. Because the dismantling is the the last part, like the the the letting go of all the armor, all the stuff that you we've all added on. The shedding of that, I think, is the interesting part.

**[0:24:31] Alanis Morissette:** I mean, if we're in the context of patriarchy, which we were and still are, everything's through the male gaze. The hormones we have in in this body is the procreative imperative. Put a baby in me, I'm gonna tolerate everything. Then you get closer to menopause and progesterone, all the hormones are at zero. So you're all this sort of scaffolding of cotton balls and cozy tolerance, they go away. And what they used to do? There's a book called Shock to Women.

**[0:24:58] Alanis Morissette:** They used to go up to women in the day for the town hall meetings. They would seek out the women who were PMSing because they would be the ones to lead the town hall meetings and tell the city what they needed to do.

**[0:25:10] Amy Poehler:** they were like, I'm gonna tell you the truth.

**[0:25:11] Alanis Morissette:** Who are we getting on the C? Oh, those three women, sit,

**[0:25:15] Amy Poehler:** what's your relationship to Chicago? I'm sure you've toured here many times, spent time here. Do you have an impression of Chicago?

**[0:25:22] Alanis Morissette:** uh, it's. It's been called the sister city of my, uh, hometown in Ottawa, Canada. Uh, very funny people,

**[0:25:28] Amy Poehler:** Very funny.

**[0:25:29] Alanis Morissette:** some of the funniest people I know are from Chicago. Um, diversity, you said earlier, I live.

**[0:25:35] Amy Poehler:** I wanna talk to you about your relationship to comedy, cause you are a secret goofball, you're a goofball, you love comedy.

**[0:25:43] Alanis Morissette:** yes, I will do anything for a laugh.

**[0:25:46] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, and you call us, you know, you come from Canada, so C Canadians are really proud of their comedy.

**[0:25:53] Alanis Morissette:** Are they?

**[0:25:54] Amy Poehler:** You don't think so. You grew up, I mean, you, I mean, we have this in common. Is we both did sketch comedy when we were young. You were you did sketch comedy, you were in a Canadian show, you were, and you can't do that on television, do you? For people who don't remember that show didn't see it, how would you explain what it was? What? What was that show like?

**[0:26:18] Alanis Morissette:** It was a show written for adults, but it was for kids. There was a lot of innuendo and just a group of people that I entered into this fray. And they'd they'd already had years of knowing each other, so I was the new girl in school.

**[0:26:30] Amy Poehler:** How'd you get the job?

**[0:26:31] Alanis Morissette:** I auditioned, it was a call, there were hundreds of kids, and I did the audition. Um,

**[0:26:37] Amy Poehler:** Do you remember what you did for an audit for the read a scene audition?

**[0:26:39] Alanis Morissette:** or two, I think, with Alistair Gillis and Adam. And they said, immediately halfway through my audition, they said, You're too tall, you can get out of here, so

**[0:26:48] Amy Poehler:** Too tall?

**[0:26:49] Alanis Morissette:** you're too tall, you can get out of here. So I got out of there, uh, and then they came running out of the building and chased me and said, We don't care that you're too tall, get back in here. Auditions are awesome

**[0:27:03] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, honestly, I don't think I've ever gotten a job from an audition. And it's interesting you say you're too tall, because I remember, um, someone saying, Oh, I wish you were taller

**[0:27:14] Alanis Morissette:** to to you.

**[0:27:15] Amy Poehler:** to my face as I auditioned.

**[0:27:17] Alanis Morissette:** I was, Oh, so, we both have a similar trauma.

**[0:27:21] Amy Poehler:** Yes, a height trauma. Um, it is wild. Back then, people would say right in front of you, oh, if only, if only you were different.

**[0:27:33] Alanis Morissette:** That would. That was my experience on dates, but only all of them.

**[0:27:40] Amy Poehler:** What were you watching as a kid? Uh, like, what was the kind of comedy that was on in your house?

**[0:27:44] Alanis Morissette:** Three's company.

**[0:27:45] Amy Poehler:** Oh my god, let's talk about three's company.

**[0:27:47] Alanis Morissette:** Every episode I've seen 19 times, and when I first moved to LA. John Ritter Sitting right next to me at a exercise place, I was on the bike and he got on. And I John Ritterman the blood went all the way down to my feet and I and and I didn't say hi. And then, uh, years later, I was at Starbucks at a movie theater and he walked right up to me and he goes, Alanis, and I was like, Oh my God.

**[0:28:10] Alanis Morissette:** And then he said, coffee, and I said, Yeah, let's go for coffee. So we just had coffee and just loved on each other verbally, um, the whole time, and I heart heart, heartbroken.

**[0:28:23] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, what a loss. W He, what a what a talent, John Ritter. What a person, What a person I've heard. Just I've never had, never had the pleasure to meet him, and what a what an amazing talent. And what a weird show what a that was.

**[0:28:36] Alanis Morissette:** cool show. Way before its time.

**[0:28:40] Amy Poehler:** Totally. It was. It was strange, every it was a farce, and everyone was just Just going for it.

**[0:28:50] Alanis Morissette:** yes, they couldn't stop.

**[0:28:52] Amy Poehler:** But when you were doing comedy, doing like on TV as a little kid, and then you start writing songs and or or or had you always been writing? Like you, you wrote your first song, I think, when you were eight or nine or something. Um, what was, what was, where was music introduced in your house? Where did you first kind of learn to write or make music?

**[0:29:14] Alanis Morissette:** um, when I was younger, it was very multitudinous, so it was comedy and then drawing. I can't draw to save my life, but I still drew, um, music, dancing, it was everything, and then music. I was always writing songs, uh, and I sent a tape, a cassette tape, to a friend of a family, our of our family. His name's Lindsay Morgan. He's passed away since, but um, he heard it. And when I went to visit him next, our family went to visit him, he had a track ready.

**[0:29:42] Alanis Morissette:** And my brothers had told me I couldn't sing my way out of a paper bag, which they're wont to do. yeah, that's a brother's Uh, it's, it's job. kind of their job to, um. And so I said, Who's gonna sing it? and he said, You are, and then I did. And that was the beginning of much love.

**[0:29:59] Amy Poehler:** wow. And you started writing songs and, in fact, started your own label at eleven. What are your kids doing?

**[0:30:14] Alanis Morissette:** hence the therapy.

**[0:30:17] Amy Poehler:** Um, you spoke about it a little bit, but I love the reason why you did. Why? why did you?

**[0:30:21] Alanis Morissette:** Yeah, um, back at that time, uh, nobody was signing children. Now my joke is that they crawl up the vagina into the uterus to get the signature real quick. Um, now they don't care. Uh, then they did so. I thought, Well, I still wanna share this music, so we started a record label when I was ten or eleven.

**[0:30:44] Amy Poehler:** Do you feel like even then you had a sense of, I mean, I? I don't wanna ascribe this to you if it's not true, but it feels like you had a sense of how to navigate things that were much more mature than you were at the time.

**[0:31:04] Alanis Morissette:** It's like a it's like being a cockroach. Okay, say more, Um, it's like just staying the course. I remember my my manager of many years at the time said, Alanis, the only way you're gonna get through this is if you stay on the train track. But just look down one step at a time. Uh, and that helped.

**[0:31:26] Amy Poehler:** that's good advice.

**[0:31:26] Alanis Morissette:** But I mean, the temperament I have is like a scared, tiny, shaky poodle, but my outward facing situation is often a black stallion. So they're at odds a lot.

**[0:31:37] Amy Poehler:** Ooh, whoa, that's so cool. So Until you're, you're inside that body, yeah, yeah, yeah,

**[0:31:44] Alanis Morissette:** it's very cool.

**[0:31:45] Amy Poehler:** I know what you mean, though it. I often I can relate to this idea that you're like, if you only knew the kind of circus music playing inside my head. Exactly, you have the Okay, over excitable cognition, yes, what's it called?

**[0:32:00] Alanis Morissette:** well, they say it's over excitable cognition, but I just say it's excitable cognition, the brain. And people, people often misdiagnose themselves. They'll say I have ADHD, and they may well, but often it's just a lot of activity, and that's how you were born.

**[0:32:14] Amy Poehler:** yes. And then the idea that how you present is different than how you're feeling is like the lifelong lesson. That Ben someone may seem one way, but they're feeling a different way. I know I'm saying it's so

**[0:32:28] Alanis Morissette:** People are more complex. pedantic. I'm saying, I Yeah,

**[0:32:30] Amy Poehler:** know it's, but it's. It's this lesson we learn over and over again, over and over with ourselves and each other. Which is the way they seemed is not the way they felt.

**[0:32:40] Alanis Morissette:** right, or they felt both, plus 17 other things.

**[0:32:44] Amy Poehler:** that's right.

**[0:32:45] Alanis Morissette:** But the one that was picked up on was maybe the lowest hanging fruit in terms of accepting that part of a human. You know,

**[0:32:51] Amy Poehler:** you put out two records before Jagged Little Pill, and they are, um, really well received. And you have this moment, uh, where you decide to make this record with Glen Ballard, and you're twenty one. Wow, even younger, you're 19, you're making this monster hit. And I just wanna pause for a second to say, not to bring my my own story in here, but I'd like to because we're in Chicago. At the same time, I just wanna say, I'm here in Chicago, I'm in my early 20s.

**[0:33:34] Amy Poehler:** I'm meeting these people and performing, doing comedy and sketch comedy with people who will go on to influence the next 20 years of my life. And you're, you're, you're making this record that will be. It will completely change the trajectory of your life. And I imagine, much like I was, you're just making stuff and feeling creative and not really even understanding what what success could mean or look like. Or, and

**[0:34:00] Alanis Morissette:** or, or even how to define it.

**[0:34:01] Amy Poehler:** or how to define it.

**[0:34:03] Alanis Morissette:** How does a woman define success today? Amy

**[0:34:09] Amy Poehler:** a two p.m.

**[0:34:10] Alanis Morissette:** Shall we ban, shall we show, bandy?

**[0:34:11] Amy Poehler:** a two p.m. show for me, a two p.m. show and getting to talk to Alanis Morissette. Um, but but my, I guess my question was like, when you look back at Jagged Little Pill, whi, which now, you know, so many years later, how do you look at it? Now? It's almost like a it's like a child.

**[0:34:32] Alanis Morissette:** It's like a friend. Yeah, I see songs as snapshots of moments. Uh, and there was something about. I'll usually write about 25 songs for a record and then pick twelve-ish. Um, but they feel like chapters captured very semi casually. The process is not casual, it may look effortless, but it's effort, very full. Um, but yeah, they're chapters of time, so that chapter of time. I felt like the feminist movement, the humanist movement was happening. I'm the one that when someone says, who wants to volunteer for?

**[0:35:11] Alanis Morissette:** and I don't even know what they're gonna ask. And my hand is already up, I just wanna do it. Um, so I think the wave of feminism was happening with or without any of us really. And I just volunteered to get on the top of the wave. And then I was there and I was being credited for things that may or may not have been appropriate to credit me for. But what I was happy to do was be at the epicenter of it, and I was happy to be on the front and get my head chopped off.

**[0:35:36] Amy Poehler:** so badass. 1995, you know, that was when it wa when the record came out, 95. So you work on it, you turn 21, you're, and you're right. You really were suddenly like, put like you were in the front lines. There was a lot projected on you. Um, are You, you knew you?

**[0:35:56] Alanis Morissette:** that, or are you just thinking about that This is, it's today?

**[0:35:58] Amy Poehler:** actually a really good question. I, I, you know, Could you see my great

**[0:36:01] Alanis Morissette:** it then?

**[0:36:03] Amy Poehler:** question, and I'm the interviewer here. So, um, I think I could. I think what I felt at the time is I felt very seen by your music, very drawn to it. And I also realized that people were deciding how you were feeling about what you were singing about without your permission or consent. No,

**[0:36:28] Alanis Morissette:** Well, that's fame. Fame is a giant screen upon which people project all their beautiful stuff to define themselves in accordance to you. And sometimes it's an accurate perception, often it's an inaccurate perception, sometimes it's a misguided one or an incomplete one. But that became an exercise almost to the point where I'd s I'd hear, and I'd avoid it at all costs, and I still don't really read any perceptions of me. But if I would read something, the first question I would ask is if it triggered me, it meant it was some shadow that I needed to look at.

**[0:37:04] Alanis Morissette:** If it didn't trigger me, it meant it was a projection of a kind, or it felt accurate. Like, Oh, I felt seen there for 10 s, that's cool. So it became like a psychological exercise, the press itself. Yeah,

**[0:37:17] Amy Poehler:** but that you're a young person handling that, in handling the also, like not wanting to forget to have fun, that things are successful and fun. you know, Well,

**[0:37:27] Alanis Morissette:** that that hel the the touring nomadic community thing helps. So a lot of people would see footage of me and say, all we saw was you laughing. I was like, Oh my gosh, being on tour with my bandmates is the most fun thing in the world. Yeah,

**[0:37:41] Amy Poehler:** I mean, when, when, uh, y, I read or or maybe I heard you speak about this, which I loved. Another again example of of, um, the lone wolf, the sheep, I forget what it was, the lone wolf, poodle, the poodle. Yes, holding steady at an age where it was hard, I think it's hard to do where you wanted. You oughta know to be the first single, and a lot of people didn't.

**[0:38:05] Alanis Morissette:** yeah. They thought it was a little harsh to receive anger from a woman, and I thought, Well, that's actually the note to start on, and then we go from there.

**[0:38:17] Amy Poehler:** why is it? Why did you think it was the note to start on?

**[0:38:19] Alanis Morissette:** I love anger so much.

**[0:38:20] Amy Poehler:** Okay, great, I wanna talk about, okay, I wanna talk about it. Okay, I learned about emotions from inside out. Up until that point, I didn't know. No, I'm just kidding,

**[0:38:37] Alanis Morissette:** You're like, What am I feeling, Mommy? Yeah,

**[0:38:40] Amy Poehler:** but anger is so juicy. delicious, Is it your of all those, you know, I? Is it the easiest for you to access?

**[0:38:49] Alanis Morissette:** it's always right there. And I think what happened was anger gets such a bad rep.

**[0:38:53] Amy Poehler:** Agreed?

**[0:38:54] Alanis Morissette:** Because when we hear anger, we think destructive acting's out, we think guns, knives, murder, death, d, you know, destruction, that's the acting's out of anger. That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about anger itself. The beautiful current that courses through you when it's appropriate. There's been a boundary trans transgressed. Don't you can't touch my stuff, you can't tell me what I'm feeling, you can't tell me what I'm thinking, and you cannot touch my body without permission.

**[0:39:23] Alanis Morissette:** And when those four, any of those four are transgressed, a little bit of rage. And that anger is an indication that there's been a transgression. If all my social activist community, oh, we're all raging, but of course we are. We know things, and when we know things as a collective, that anger is an is a propulsion to make effect. Show up, change, support, shift focus away from this patriarchal house of card nightmare and turn it toward what we know is possible.

**[0:39:57] Amy Poehler:** so well said, so well said, so well said. I mean, I felt like I'm here to remind you of the mess you left when you went away. Will go down in history, as you know, a beautiful witch's lament. It's just divine feminine power at its finest, which is, I'm not gonna let you forget, because I'm here to remind you. Like, beautifully said, sung, and we all sing that still, and we all like to scream it. And it is a feeling of release, it's release, it's release.

**[0:40:42] Alanis Morissette:** It moves the current. I feel like we're imploders or exploders. I was an imploder, cause fight, flight, freeze, collapse, befriend or appease. I have the appeasement survival D When I found strategy.

**[0:40:54] Amy Poehler:** out about fawn, I was like, Oh, funny girl, Hey, I was like, there's I'm gonna say one more app, that

**[0:41:00] Alanis Morissette:** there's one more app.

**[0:41:01] Amy Poehler:** one more.

**[0:41:01] Alanis Morissette:** Yes, oh, by the way, I'm particularly upset about the fact that fawn is the one that gets the bad rep. People are like, ooh, clingy, needy. I'm like, it's of the five survival strategies, it's the only one that's relational, it's the only one that reaches for connection.

**[0:41:16] Amy Poehler:** Okay, but because you're so smart and good at emotions and thinking, do you feel? do you feel like you're able to? And I, I'm gonna ask this to you, and I want us all to think about it here in the audience too. With like, with with, with our like, with wisdom, with getting a little bit better. Um, for those listening, Alanis is coming over to fill my cup. Oh, in more ways than one. Thank you, so Canadian of you.

**[0:41:50] Alanis Morissette:** You gotta water your women,

**[0:41:52] Amy Poehler:** Oh my god, this is straight vodka.

**[0:41:56] Alanis Morissette:** I was on the down low,

**[0:41:58] Amy Poehler:** Um, but you, but you but. But because you're so articulate in this world, you, you, you work hard to try to figure that out, you pay attention. Do you feel sometimes like, um, there is a a, how, how, how should I put it? A a grace you have to give yourself and others when you're sensing exactly what you just said. We all have these styles of talking and coping, holding it together. Yeah, yeah, and we all come in with our ways in which stuff.

**[0:42:26] Amy Poehler:** I like, I know for me, like, obviously comedy is a way to, like, just bypass. Oh, it's the best, It's the it's the freaking

**[0:42:34] Alanis Morissette:** I mean, if you have best. a feeling, make a jam. and then the feeling Yeah, goes away, and yes, sometimes you yeah, can sing the feeling yes,

**[0:42:44] Amy Poehler:** and then you don't have it. Um, so

**[0:42:46] Alanis Morissette:** uh, can we. Can we do a song together on the next record?

**[0:42:51] Amy Poehler:** what do you do? It's hard, cause it's like, I see dead people like you, you can see it well, and that's hard.

**[0:42:58] Alanis Morissette:** But I'm not always monitoring psychologically. That would be

**[0:43:00] Amy Poehler:** Okay, I guess that's what I'm exhausting. I'm asking.

**[0:43:02] Alanis Morissette:** actually my f. My first place is, can I laugh at this person? That's number one. And if I throw the ball and it hits the drapes, I'm really sad, cause there's no Ray partsy or bandy in here. Because I actually think of all the billions of the intelligences that there are, and I love speaking about them. Comedy, I know people say music sometimes, but I think comedy is number one.

**[0:43:26] Amy Poehler:** I kinda do, too.

**[0:43:27] Alanis Morissette:** I do, too. I'm sorry, I do I'm sorry, too. No, no, sorry.

**[0:43:32] Amy Poehler:** okay, I didn't wanna be braggy, but

**[0:43:36] Alanis Morissette:** Can anybody be braggy? By the way?

**[0:43:38] Amy Poehler:** I think it come I. There's some there. It's so I know it feels like my biggest way of connection It's love, and and it is such and it's intelligence, a love language. If someone loves to joke, God, I love it so

**[0:43:52] Alanis Morissette:** that's pure joy.

**[0:43:52] Amy Poehler:** much. It really is, it feels, I mean, and and I, I. I assume it feels that way when you're on stage and when you're performing and singing. Where you're looking over at someone and you're playing and you're like, look at us, it must feel that way.

**[0:44:06] Alanis Morissette:** it's rapture, that's the word I keep using. It makes Yeah,

**[0:44:09] Amy Poehler:** me think about, um, one of your old bandmates, who I I just would love to hear you talk about, which is Taylor Hawkins. Can you talk a little bit about him and where you guys met?

**[0:44:22] Alanis Morissette:** uh. I auditioned to BU. I think I was 20, and I auditioned tons of people, and he came in and he was just instant soul brother. And then how he played was so reverent and respectful, but also wildly bombastic and uniquely him. And so we just became a a mutually supportive, championing force, you know, up until just before he died. All I all I received from Taylor was regalings of kindness and mirroring and validation, and just upliftment.

**[0:44:53] Alanis Morissette:** And minchie, minchie, minch.

**[0:44:56] Amy Poehler:** ugh, so great. Yeah, I mean, you were also, like, on tour, there were a lot of people that you met in different stages of their careers, like you were with Radiohead. Did you tour with Radiohead?

**[0:45:08] Alanis Morissette:** Well, they wrote all their songs. Yeah, that's true, Yeah, uh, they played, they played before me and whatever year that was, and I was obsessed. And

**[0:45:21] Amy Poehler:** but you know, you've described yourself a little bit here, too, as much more introverted than people would assume. And and I know that's a flat term, but and then you have this extrovert. I mean, you really have to be like, up on stage, you have to rock and just move and sing. And when you do that, do you let do you what? What do you do to get there? I guess? is the question. When you're like, Oh god, I gotta go out there.

**[0:45:49] Alanis Morissette:** I always tell my kids it's a combo between profound humility. So I'm I'm always just praying and thanking, and, uh, combined with confidence and full ham. So they both show up. And um, it is a deep bow, and then it's a submitting. I feel like I just submit to it and it takes me.

**[0:46:12] Amy Poehler:** it's such a good way to put it because nobody really knows what's embarrassing until we tell them.

**[0:46:19] Alanis Morissette:** Tell me more about that,

**[0:46:20] Amy Poehler:** Well, I'm really into embarrassment as an idea. like on purpose, Yeah,

**[0:46:24] Alanis Morissette:** like, like slapstick stuff, or what are we well, I talking?

**[0:46:27] Amy Poehler:** think that, like comedy and music, you both have to. com, you just have to commit.

**[0:46:30] Alanis Morissette:** You have to strong and wrong,

**[0:46:33] Amy Poehler:** What's that mean?

**[0:46:34] Alanis Morissette:** just strong, strong and wrong.

**[0:46:36] Amy Poehler:** Strong and wrong? Yeah, like, just if Yeah, you're gonna embarrass like, there's nothing. Yes,

**[0:46:39] Alanis Morissette:** yourself, go big.

**[0:46:40] Amy Poehler:** you can't go halfway. And I'm sure everyone here feels that feeling of when you see someone up on stage, it doesn't even have to be on. It doesn't have to be in a giant stadium, it can just be at your workplace. When they're giving a presentation and your mirror neurons, when they are nervous,

**[0:46:56] Alanis Morissette:** it's the worst.

**[0:46:57] Amy Poehler:** it is the worst feeling in I'm the world, always nervous. No, really.

**[0:47:01] Alanis Morissette:** people ask me, like, how do I deal with my nerves? I wanna do what you do, and I'm like, Oh, you don't, they're with you for life. You can't. I can't change my temperament. I would love to just pull this out, let it take a bath.

**[0:47:15] Amy Poehler:** um, can you talk about wholeness? and and it's not wellness.

**[0:47:21] Alanis Morissette:** no, wellness. I think the wellness movement was well intended, uh, but that leaves out all the other parts, you know, the so called shadow, darker, challenging parts. Um, and I love humanity so much, I mean, I hate humanity too, don't worry, um, but I love humans.

**[0:47:41] Amy Poehler:** I do too.

**[0:47:42] Alanis Morissette:** Ooh, what enneagram number are you again? You're Oh my a

**[0:47:44] Amy Poehler:** god, thank you guys. I want you to know that I didn't bring it up. Okay, I didn't ask.

**[0:47:53] Alanis Morissette:** are you an eight? I'm an eight, eight? What? What's your wing?

**[0:47:56] Amy Poehler:** my wing, I eight, wing nine, the bear, so I tend so, you to,

**[0:48:02] Alanis Morissette:** lead?

**[0:48:02] Amy Poehler:** I lead, but I like to collaborate. I'm not a monster.

**[0:48:05] Alanis Morissette:** Ooh, you're a nine, you're a nine. No, you're a no, you're not a monster. My daughter's an eight.

**[0:48:10] Amy Poehler:** I love eight.

**[0:48:10] Alanis Morissette:** Eights lead the world.

**[0:48:11] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, baby. I don't mean to be rude, but there's no Buddy, other number I would rather be than eight. No way

**[0:48:19] Alanis Morissette:** born to be an eight, all

**[0:48:20] Amy Poehler:** love eight. Okay, what are you?

**[0:48:22] Alanis Morissette:** I'm a four with a Of course, five wing shocker, four and everyone thought I was a three wing, cause three is more sort of associated with public. But no,

**[0:48:31] Amy Poehler:** achievement, but you're a five. Yeah, that

**[0:48:32] Alanis Morissette:** I'm a five.

**[0:48:32] Amy Poehler:** makes sense. Info.

**[0:48:33] Alanis Morissette:** I like to watch and think and observe and sit in it. yeah, and wholeness is, Oh yeah, so back to wholeness.

**[0:48:41] Amy Poehler:** yeah. How do we work on our wholeness while still not trying too hard to improve?

**[0:48:48] Alanis Morissette:** Well, the thing about wholeness is Because I have a you're asking for a f a buddy,

**[0:48:52] Amy Poehler:** I'm asking for all women. Because I feel like there is a tendency or an expectation, or or or a self, uh, like, put upon, um, pressure. Yeah, that we have to keep getting better at things where I would like us but that's to stop. Yeah, patriarchy. I'd like us to stop Okay, we're good, right now. We're good, like we would. Should wait for everybody to catch up, and we should stop improving. We might never catch up.

**[0:49:21] Alanis Morissette:** So I think the the MO, the movement toward better wellness is this way wholeness is coming home, totally different direction. There's nothing to add, you don't need to be fixed. It's just remembering who you are and being in environments where people will will reflect you accurately enough, just enough that you're there. And for those of us who are raised by narcissism and don't actually have a sense of self, it is not for the weak of heart.

**[0:49:51] Alanis Morissette:** This journey of becoming a whole person,

**[0:49:55] Amy Poehler:** it's not. It's a whole lifelong journey.

**[0:49:58] Alanis Morissette:** it, it really is, and it's juicy, and it's so vulnerable, but it's awesome, and it's awesome as we gather, it's the gathering that makes it great for me.

**[0:50:09] Amy Poehler:** Can I ask you about meditation? Um, uh, just by show of hands, uh, and how many people here meditate? Okay, Chicago, we gotta work on that.

**[0:50:22] Alanis Morissette:** meditation is overrated.

**[0:50:24] Amy Poehler:** Oh my god, hot take, hold on, it actually. Same. Say more.

**[0:50:29] Alanis Morissette:** Well, for those of us who are in the midst of trauma or a traumatic experience, that we're perhaps on the verge of beginning to heal. Meditating is actually quite dangerous because you're left alone with all these protective voices who are attempting to protect you, God bless, but they can be really mean. So for some people, it's actually, uh, Peter Levine calls it, um, something like anxiety, or, uh, meditation induced anxiety. So what can happen? Not for everybody?

**[0:51:01] Alanis Morissette:** Sometimes meditation is bliss for some, but for some people, meditating puts you straight in the middle of the pain. With no necess, not not necessarily a developed resource, a person you can hold, or a something you can imagine. So then I wouldn't actually recommend meditating at all. Yeah, but for others of us, it's it's a fun invitation and it's so much going on in here.

**[0:51:24] Amy Poehler:** I love what you've talked about, like your inner critic. We all have it and the idea that it show how it shows up and when it shows up. And I related because you just said our, our protective voices. And I find sometimes, like, I call them my bodyguards, but when my bodyguards show up, they're they're. They mean

**[0:51:42] Alanis Morissette:** there's a reason. well, they mean well, Yeah,

**[0:51:44] Amy Poehler:** but they really keep me from connection. I know, But but they're so great, they're big, burly, but the genius, and they are like, don't do that, don't be lame, don't be a loser, don't say hi, don't say hi, yes, don't say you're afraid, get out of here. Like, they get me in the car fast. I'm same, like, Thank you so much, you guys are all guys, sorry,

**[0:52:05] Alanis Morissette:** but they are all guys.

**[0:52:06] Amy Poehler:** they are all guys. And then, um, and then I get in the car and I'm like, I am so lucky, like, look at how many friends I'm scared. I'm like, Um, do you do that? Where you think about parts of your brain as people?

**[0:52:19] Alanis Morissette:** They're all. There's thousands in here. And, um, yeah, I just have to be responsible to them and listen, and as often as I can heed. You know, there's some action they often ask for me to take, often it's just slow down, morissette, slow down. Um, or I'll say, You know, what do you need from me? what? what action can I take on your behalf? What wisdom do you have for me? What am I not seeing here?

**[0:52:44] Alanis Morissette:** And often they'll tell me, and then that's that. that's cool, And then there's often about twelve parts trying to get my attention. So I interact with them like I would with my kids, which is I wanna hear all of you, just one at a time. The rest of you sit next to me and then I'm just gonna talk with this one and maybe these two. It doesn't take long, I can do it at a stoplight in 13 s.

**[0:53:04] Amy Poehler:** yeah. I sometimes picture my parts, and again, this is very inside out, but I picture the parts in my head at a around a table, Yeah, this and kind of table, this kind of table.

**[0:53:16] Alanis Morissette:** what part am I playing today? Cause they can be externalized.

**[0:53:22] Amy Poehler:** I feel I feel very like I. You're a lot of fun.

**[0:53:27] Alanis Morissette:** That's not the first word people say when they talk about me, Really, I mean, my friends.

**[0:53:32] Amy Poehler:** I, I'm having a lot of fun.

**[0:53:34] Alanis Morissette:** I am, too. Yeah, okay, good, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

**[0:53:36] Amy Poehler:** so you're fine. that's why I'm here Um, you're

**[0:53:38] Alanis Morissette:** to have fun.

**[0:53:38] Amy Poehler:** playing the fun part. And I like when I look at the table and I'm like, Oh, somebody has been seated at the head of the table for a long time and they need maybe need a little rest.

**[0:53:49] Alanis Morissette:** You don't wanna drive? It's, yeah, Yeah,

**[0:53:52] Amy Poehler:** and that person often is my, like, Tony Soprano ego.

**[0:53:58] Alanis Morissette:** yeah, I've seen her. You know, that was out loud, right? No, I love her, though, I love that part, I need her,

**[0:54:06] Amy Poehler:** oh my god, I mean, that part is incredible. I I need Grammy, know, forget about it. Um, and then in a like, a kind of completely different version of things, you're releasing a holiday album. Well, first of all, why did you wanna make a Christmas album?

**[0:54:23] Alanis Morissette:** Every year for a few years, we just we would just do one song just to kinda get inside the whole experience. I never cared about Christmas, and then my son was born Christmas morning, and now I really care. Hm,

**[0:54:36] Amy Poehler:** Jesus's birthday. Does he? Is he okay sharing a birthday with Jesus? he is. He's It's a pretty big

**[0:54:50] Alanis Morissette:** very okay.

**[0:54:51] Amy Poehler:** person to share a birthday with.

**[0:54:52] Alanis Morissette:** Yes, it's his birthday and Christmas. Um, why was I talking about

**[0:54:58] Amy Poehler:** doesn't matter.

**[0:54:59] Alanis Morissette:** birth?

**[0:54:59] Amy Poehler:** Oh, no, oh, we're, cause we're talking about. So you would do a song every once in a while? yeah, Christmas. Okay, yeah, Yeah,

**[0:55:04] Alanis Morissette:** so um, I would do a song every year. And then this year, it just became, shall we finish it? shall we make it whole? And, uh, the answer was hell, yes, awesome. yes,

**[0:55:15] Amy Poehler:** And so you have a really great collaborator, Brandy Carlisle. I mean, Let's talk about I could see Brandy, let's talk that about her for a second. Also, for the next you guys were

**[0:55:26] Alanis Morissette:** 20 minutes.

**[0:55:26] Amy Poehler:** just on. Sta- I. I just saw footage of you on my phone, which is where I get all my news. You're bad news, but And

**[0:55:32] Alanis Morissette:** this one was good news.

**[0:55:33] Amy Poehler:** yep, and I saw you two on stage just recently. And she's been covering your music a lot, and you guys have been performing together. What? What's it like to work with her? She's incredible.

**[0:55:42] Alanis Morissette:** Yeah, she's the greatest person in the world. I mean,

**[0:55:47] Amy Poehler:** and you both, you both, I would say, have these voices that feel like they're, I don't know, they just feel really otherworldly. And I I like to ask singers this, when did you feel like you knew you were good at singing? Like, when did you like? Singing is so, uh, like any skill, it just you're always kind of changing and working on it. But there has to be a point of view that knows I'm a good singer.

**[0:56:15] Amy Poehler:** yeah, I When did you know I think when that?

**[0:56:17] Alanis Morissette:** I was entering into these talent competition as a young creature and I winning, whatever winning means, but I I won. And I remember thinking, Oh, maybe my brothers were wrong.

**[0:56:31] Amy Poehler:** isn't it funny that when you're young and someone says, Hey, you're good at that? It's just like, Ex

**[0:56:36] Alanis Morissette:** Uh, I was in church and singing very loudly, and a woman tapped my shoulder and I turned around and she said, You have a lovely voice, sweetheart.

**[0:56:48] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, I think Brandy Carlisle told a very similar story that it Really, was in church that she got like, positive feedback that made her feel like I can do this. yeah, anything, Yeah,

**[0:56:59] Alanis Morissette:** anything exaltative and gospel, anything that is just God loving. I'm in singing wise, cause it's rapture, it's the same,

**[0:57:06] Amy Poehler:** yeah, you were also so incredible at the recent Um Daisy Chain Fields, uh, with Olivia Rodrigo. Hello, yeah, so great, she's so incredible. I know It must. It must feel really good to be like around those young women who really have it together and are talented and smart. What was that experience like?

**[0:57:29] Alanis Morissette:** amazing. Standing across from her is just, uh, anytime I see Olivia, I just think everything's gonna be okay.

**[0:57:34] Amy Poehler:** She's really, really doing it right. Um, and in your Christmas album, you have Steve Martin playing banjo.

**[0:57:43] Alanis Morissette:** because I had to, because I knew he was so good, he's so good. And I remember promising myself at, you know, 22, that one day, me, Steve Martin and a banjo, yeah, are gonna happen anyway. Yeah, no, I'm so thrilled. I just can't stop smiling.

**[0:58:01] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, and Martin Short also on the record.

**[0:58:04] Alanis Morissette:** Oh so, he and I are are both obsessed with Judy Garland, who isn't, um, so he said, What about the Merry Christmas tune? And so now I have this thought that there's a funny music video with Judy. And. And so my wish is to frame by frame with Marty. I'm dying.

**[0:58:21] Amy Poehler:** Oh my god, recreate. Is there anyone funnier than Marty Short? He's so funny again, Canada, you guys, you have a you have heavy hitters. When did you meet Steve and and Marty? Did you meet them before you worked with them on this record? Like, was it back in the day? Did you Marty fan out?

**[0:58:40] Alanis Morissette:** and I did a Shakespeare thing with a bunch of people, which was hilarious and I instantly loved. And then Steve Martin, I ran into him on a grassy field somewhere, and I ran up to him and I said, Hi, I'm, I'm, I'm Alanis. He's like, Ah, hi, and then we off. So, um, same happened with Annie Lennox. I live for Annie Lennox Ugh, same, and I just thought, Oh, this is my moment. We're at the Brit Awards.

**[0:59:06] Alanis Morissette:** I'm gonna hang out with her, we're gonna, she's gonna bounce me on the yoga ball. I was so excited and she we walked up to each other and I was like, Annie, she's like, Alanis, nice to meet you, lovely work you're doing, and walked off. The intimacy I thought was possible. The club, Amy, the club, the Fame Club. I thought I would just be it's

**[0:59:31] Amy Poehler:** Do you feel like maybe she just had to go to the bathroom?

**[0:59:34] Alanis Morissette:** I know, but like, bring me with you, Bring, bring me with I can pee you. Yeah, with you.

**[0:59:39] Amy Poehler:** I'll stand outside.

**[0:59:40] Alanis Morissette:** I have done way worse Yeah, maybe that's for you, what freaked her out Annie. Yeah,

**[0:59:44] Amy Poehler:** is she was like, I have to go, and you were like, Do you have to go to the bathroom? I'll go with

**[0:59:47] Alanis Morissette:** I'll go. you. I mean, I have to pee. We can chat between,

**[0:59:53] Amy Poehler:** yeah, I know what you mean. At SNL, the the best part of the job are the heroes that come through the hallway. But boy,

**[1:00:00] Alanis Morissette:** but then your heart is broke.

**[1:00:02] Amy Poehler:** and also just you realize, just people are regular people and people, like, have to go to the bathroom and stuff.

**[1:00:08] Alanis Morissette:** I know it's so not okay that they do that.

**[1:00:10] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, yeah, you get shy.

**[1:00:14] Alanis Morissette:** I don't know if the word shy is real,

**[1:00:17] Amy Poehler:** Whoa, what the fuck? Okay, because no, I get

**[1:00:28] Alanis Morissette:** I don't. I don't wanna fucking know.

**[1:00:29] Amy Poehler:** I get it, and I love it.

**[1:00:32] Alanis Morissette:** Shy is just pausing to check if the person is safe.

**[1:00:36] Amy Poehler:** Interesting. Oh, we got some claps We got some from some people in sensitive temperaments the back who seemed very shy.

**[1:00:43] Alanis Morissette:** who've had just about enough.

**[1:00:45] Amy Poehler:** Well, someone who was kinda shy and then really rose to the occasion is our guest earlier, Kelly Kroyer, and Kelly, thank you so much. And she asked me a question to ask you, which I think is a beautiful one. And um, I'm gonna ask it, uh, to you now, which is, is there a song you wrote years ago that you understand completely differently now? Not because the lyrics have changed, but because you did?

**[1:01:14] Alanis Morissette:** Oh, uh, I think not the doctor. Because when I wrote it, it was very much like, Hey, you know what, you take care of your stuff and we'll talk. Uh, having been in very long committed relationships now, I know that ideally, in my mind, we are actively participating in each other's healing. So some of those lyrics, I think, Oh, Alanis,

**[1:01:42] Amy Poehler:** Um, okay, I've got a little lightning round if you're ready.

**[1:01:44] Alanis Morissette:** oh, I'm scared. Little tidbyte Hm,

**[1:01:48] Amy Poehler:** Favorite song you've heard recently, something you're humming, listening to, or singing?

**[1:01:52] Alanis Morissette:** uh, I, I went back in time. A Keane Hamburg song,

**[1:01:56] Amy Poehler:** Keane Hamburg song. I don't think I know that. I met May amazing. And nothing then,

**[1:02:01] Alanis Morissette:** better than a feminine man or a masculine woman.

**[1:02:05] Amy Poehler:** indeed, well, said, well said. Um, a s, um, a a. a musician or music, or a song that your kids turned you on to.

**[1:02:19] Alanis Morissette:** Steve Lacy.

**[1:02:20] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, what's the most Canadian thing about you, Alanis,

**[1:02:25] Alanis Morissette:** The fact that I have had a really hard time learning how to monologue when no one's asking. So in Canada, I don't know if the whole country's doing this, but I wouldn't speak unless someone asked me something. I wouldn't just, of my own volition, just speak into a room. Now, that's partly patriarchy and narcissism and can. But I moved to America, it moved to L. A. and I didn't speak for six months. I was waiting for someone to ask a question.

**[1:02:57] Alanis Morissette:** And then the muscle I had to cultivate, which I'm really glad I did, cause it's allowing me to speak with you right now. Uh, was just speak when no one asks. That was hard, but now I know how to do it.

**[1:03:10] Amy Poehler:** I used to often be on conference calls and we would be getting ready to be done. And I would just say, I'm just one more thing before we go. I just wanna talk, okay,

**[1:03:21] Alanis Morissette:** Those are my favorite zooms. Yes,

**[1:03:23] Amy Poehler:** um, and what is your order at Tim Hortons?

**[1:03:27] Alanis Morissette:** um, the munchkins, uh, sugar, the sugary and the chocolate, I mean, they're both so high nutrient. Delicious. Yeah, and

**[1:03:36] Amy Poehler:** You've run a marathon, more a few, than one, a few, a few. Um, my question is running, why?

**[1:03:47] Alanis Morissette:** it's hard. I mean, exactly why. Uh, I did it for charity, cause there was no way I was gonna be able to train without doing it for charity. So some Nita National Eating Disorder Association. I did it as a way of saying, this is an instrument, this is not just an ornament. Uh, and then, you know, marathon running, wow, Where did I won't be doing it again.

**[1:04:09] Amy Poehler:** what did you? What was the thing? What is the thing that you really are proud of about that? Obviously, doing it and training, but what was I in in the experience of doing it? What was the most kind of surprising and satisfying part of it?

**[1:04:20] Alanis Morissette:** I would say mile 20 to the finish each time, and just the weeping after, I would just go into cold, cold water and just sob. It's part of the overfunctioning Yeah, it sounds so thing. It sounds terrible,

**[1:04:34] Amy Poehler:** fun. Every single person that talks to me about running, it just sounds worse and worse.

**[1:04:42] Alanis Morissette:** but yeah, you're still intrigued. I'm not. You're done. Yeah,

**[1:04:46] Amy Poehler:** oh my god, no.

**[1:04:47] Alanis Morissette:** no, it's quite beautiful, actually. I love running, but I won't be doing much more of it now.

**[1:04:51] Amy Poehler:** Joan Jett, you performed with her, were you were on tour Yeah, we toured with her. What was together. that? what was that like?

**[1:04:58] Alanis Morissette:** It's the greatest. I can't even believe sometimes the joy I get from being around masters, and whether it's musical or comedic, or producorial, or directors. I just feel like I can't swing a dirty sock without hitting masters around me. Joan is cool, Uh, Joan is the greatest. she's. She Yeah,

**[1:05:19] Amy Poehler:** was definitely one of the many artists when I was growing up, and, you know, and honestly, you were one too. Where the minute you see them, you're like, Where did they come? where? who is that? And Joan definitely has that too. She just arrived and was like, I'm your favorite now,

**[1:05:35] Alanis Morissette:** thank you. She imposed herself into our souls.

**[1:05:39] Amy Poehler:** and Alanis, you did that too.

**[1:05:41] Alanis Morissette:** Aw, thanks, Amy. I just love the idea of picking women who will be around me when Armageddon hits, which is like yesterday. Um, I just feel like Joan would be in that gaggle.

**[1:05:52] Amy Poehler:** yeah, yeah, she'd be tough.

**[1:05:54] Alanis Morissette:** She'd be like grabbing the wood,

**[1:05:55] Amy Poehler:** Yeah, definitely.

**[1:05:57] Alanis Morissette:** lighting fires.

**[1:05:58] Amy Poehler:** A lot of people don't know you're a twin. What's the twinniest thing about you?

**[1:06:03] Alanis Morissette:** I think just the straight tele telepathy.

**[1:06:05] Amy Poehler:** Do you have it? So can you give us an example of that?

**[1:06:11] Alanis Morissette:** we would be my twin and I would be camping on some island in Canada, and, uh, there'd be a few people around. Fire crackling. And we would have a wh entire conversation that was quiet. And then, once in a while, I would finish it with a verbal like, Yeah, and everyone else would be like, what? And Wade, my twin, would go so very. We talk all the time and I know I have a sense of what's up with him, and he knows what's up with me.

**[1:06:39] Alanis Morissette:** And Whoa, a lot of comedy, though, so this is the number one for us. Yeah, a lot of what, what, what laughing.

**[1:06:46] Amy Poehler:** do? what do you? Um, what do you think he's doing right now? And then we can cross check it.

**[1:06:53] Alanis Morissette:** He's in the bathroom.

**[1:06:57] Amy Poehler:** That would be a really funny bit for, like, a, um, for like, a psychic to be like, Okay, I'm They're putting with your brother,

**[1:07:04] Alanis Morissette:** the feelers in.

**[1:07:04] Amy Poehler:** he's he's right now, he's pooping. Cause we spent so Can you contact much time, we

**[1:07:11] Alanis Morissette:** him?

**[1:07:11] Amy Poehler:** spent so much time in the bathroom, of course, there must be a time when someone's pooping. That's just a guess. Oh God, okay, and your hair, right? Congratulations on it. It's incredible,

**[1:07:30] Alanis Morissette:** It's the fifth Beatle.

**[1:07:33] Amy Poehler:** it is its own. Your hair, it got in your way, it covered you, it,

**[1:07:41] Alanis Morissette:** Thank God.

**[1:07:41] Amy Poehler:** it, you know, it, uh, also, like it, it spoke for you. It was this. It was really such a part of when we were first seeing you. Um, what do you? what do you? What's your relationship with your hair like? It's your hair is so powerful.

**[1:07:57] Alanis Morissette:** Oh, lovely, um, I love it. Uh, it's a security blanket, for sure, because when, when on stage, as, uh, the light, it's slightly ceaseless, which is not great. So I can hide hide. Lots of hiding anywhere. Hair is great for hiding, and hair is great then it also

**[1:08:16] Amy Poehler:** for hiding.

**[1:08:17] Alanis Morissette:** does the job of femme for me, cause I like to dress like a 14 year old boy. Uh, so I'm like,

**[1:08:22] Amy Poehler:** me too.

**[1:08:22] Alanis Morissette:** you do the femme stuff, and it does, and Yes, have that's, you know,

**[1:08:25] Amy Poehler:** you you? Did you shave your head once I came like, close, you did?

**[1:08:30] Alanis Morissette:** I had to. It's a rite of passage to No, you for

**[1:08:33] Amy Poehler:** know, this is only for people who have good hair.

**[1:08:36] Alanis Morissette:** we're not shaving our hair tomorrow. You mean,

**[1:08:38] Amy Poehler:** No, I, I'm just if you have fantastic hair, you can just he's just be like, I'll

**[1:08:42] Alanis Morissette:** here, waiting.

**[1:08:42] Amy Poehler:** shave it, it'll come back. But for those of us that are hanging on by a thread,

**[1:08:47] Alanis Morissette:** You're shaving nothing. I am extra herring.

**[1:08:53] Amy Poehler:** and do you air dry it?

**[1:08:55] Alanis Morissette:** I have never used a what

**[1:08:58] Amy Poehler:** What?

**[1:08:58] Alanis Morissette:** do you call those? I mean, other people have used it on me, but I, I can't.

**[1:09:05] Amy Poehler:** so when you get out of the shower, and sorry, but this is what the people wanna know. We're gonna wrap this up, but am I wrong? When Alanis gets out of the shower, how are you combing through your hair? Do you even comb through it?

**[1:09:22] Alanis Morissette:** yeah, I have to. Yeah, I have to.

**[1:09:24] Amy Poehler:** we're using a nice brush.

**[1:09:26] Alanis Morissette:** Oh, we're using a super overpriced brush, Yeah, great, uh, just super or any, anything, overpriced. Yeah,

**[1:09:30] Amy Poehler:** yeah, of course. Well, you know yeah, whatever, what? Because we, I mean, we work hard, then but everybody you use

**[1:09:36] Alanis Morissette:** works hard.

**[1:09:36] Amy Poehler:** the PRI. Hold on, let's get back I know to your hair.

**[1:09:39] Alanis Morissette:** we have access, Amy, we have access. Okay,

**[1:09:41] Amy Poehler:** We get through the brush, then we put a product in it. No, incredible I'm very God. The hair privilege is unbelievable.

**[1:09:53] Alanis Morissette:** yeah, I'm sorry.

**[1:09:54] Amy Poehler:** It really is. We It's incredible.

**[1:09:56] Alanis Morissette:** edited this whole thing out. Uh, yeah, uh, I don't know what to say. Yeah, incredible, Yeah,

**[1:10:04] Amy Poehler:** and and okay, and with the as we wrap up, um, cause we we landed we we on the most important landed on the most thing. important. Well, I don't know, Oh, actually, Brad, but I I mean, I, I actually think, H, y, and you know, like, hair is political, and it is so interesting, and it is, you speak of it. But it. It did feel at that time like it was a security blanket for you.

**[1:10:24] Alanis Morissette:** oh yeah, it was life saving, still is,

**[1:10:27] Amy Poehler:** and it's so cool. is it? Yeah, Yeah, hair's cool. But yeah,

**[1:10:31] Alanis Morissette:** then when we're dead on the deathbed, it's not gonna matter so much.

**[1:10:35] Amy Poehler:** why did you have to bring that up?

**[1:10:38] Alanis Morissette:** Because I'm Alanis and I'm a fool with a five week. Goddamn it. So many good Death, despair, one for you, destruction. I love you. everything's gonna be Shut the f up

**[1:10:49] Amy Poehler:** okay. Oh my god, Alanis, I love you, okay, and we'll end this way. What's making you laugh these days?

**[1:10:58] Alanis Morissette:** you right now.

**[1:10:59] Amy Poehler:** Oh my god, what, what do you? What do you go to to like, laugh to, to, to have f? Where do you go for release and relief?

**[1:11:09] Alanis Morissette:** Patty Guggenheim.

**[1:11:11] Amy Poehler:** Same one.

**[1:11:12] Alanis Morissette:** I mean, you know, this one, uh, collaboration. I'm gonna start crying like it's the greatest thing in the world. The one plus one equals 14. And you're just laughing the entire time you're writing, even when it's harrowing, and maybe laughing harder when it's harrowing. It's just the sweetest relationship. It's the unsung relationships are the friendships and the collaborative profound intimacy. It's an unsung relationship that I live for.

**[1:11:39] Amy Poehler:** yeah, that's a really nice thing about getting older, and also that your friends know you really well and they still like you,

**[1:11:45] Alanis Morissette:** oh my God, and they love you maybe more,

**[1:11:47] Amy Poehler:** they maybe love you more.

**[1:11:47] Alanis Morissette:** that's weird. I know It's like, Wait, you know me really well, and you still like me, that's awesome.

**[1:11:53] Amy Poehler:** well, I don't. I don't know if I know you really well, but

**[1:11:58] Alanis Morissette:** Not yet.

**[1:11:58] Amy Poehler:** I really like you.

**[1:11:59] Alanis Morissette:** Oh, I like you too. And um, Yeah,

**[1:12:02] Amy Poehler:** I knew I would, and I. I'm just so grateful that you came and did this. And that

**[1:12:06] Alanis Morissette:** thanks, Amy.

**[1:12:07] Amy Poehler:** I, I'm grateful for your work, I'm grateful for the way you speak about your life and your work. And I'm just so thankful that you came to Chicago to do this show. Thank you so much for being here.

**[1:12:17] Alanis Morissette:** Thank you. Alanis Morissette, So everybody, everybody, Alanis Morissette.

**[1:12:26] Amy Poehler:** you've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite for The Ringer. Production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, Aleya Zenieris, Bridget Geerlings, Paige Garbarini, Belle Roman and Drew Van Steenbergen. For Paper Kite. Production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.