Blue Tsunami!
Pod Save America · 4 Nov 2026
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Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett,

I'm Dan Pfeiffer. Tommy Vietor,

Well, how about this?

What a night.

What a fucking night, guys. Uh, we're recording this at about nine thirty pm. California time. And, uh, I mean, we don't have final numbers, but, uh, you know, it's a. It's a blue tsunami, it's a blue nomi,

it's a blue nomi.

it's a blue cocky.

Oh, oh, boy, boy. Talib Kweli comes in, Talib Kweli gives one little victory speech about loving thy neighbor. All of a sudden,

Wanted to set, the wanted to set the tone for the pod early. Talib Kweli, There you go.

he was pitting tops versus bottoms. It was a very divisive speech. He was, he was

Um, Democrats are running the table in the Senate races. Uh, I think the New York Times model has this controlling the Senate fifty five, forty five. Who had fifty five Senate seats?

not I.

Anyone? Not I, not No, no, I. uh, an absolute thumping in the house. The Times model has the new Democratic majority at I think it's, like, up to two fifty five now, it says here two fifty four, two fifty or one eighty. two fifty five, Uh, that's what the two forty five, that's what the needle says.

the needle. The needle's never lied.

Yeah, well, okay, two fifty four, two fifty five. We we don't know yet, but that's that's the range. Uh, also a ton of governors races. Uh, we're gonna go through all the incredible details, but I don't know. Let's just start. How do we feel, guys, aside from fucking amazing? Uh, big, big picture thoughts on the night?

I mean, this is the electoral ass whooping that Trump has deserved for ten years, and we've been waiting for. It is a absolute historic repudiation of him, his party, his agenda, his broken promises. Democrats are winning everywhere, they're winning by huge margins, they're up double digits in districts that Trump won by fifteen, they're up double digits in Texas. As we record this, though, they don't narrow, but t but. Tellerico's up by twelve points in Texas as we're recording this, Texas, twelve points, five points in Kansas, one South Carolina, one Kansas.

It's j it's it at every. We watched it went a whole night and never got a single piece of data that was concerning the whole time. In all places,

no, I won't.

winning everywhere.

yeah, I remember when, uh, uh, we were watching these results in in 2018 and the feeling as as we watched those come in. And you know, Dan, when we were talking about the poll earlier in the week, we were kind of cautiously talking about why we could trust that. Potentially these polls were this good. And the the point you made was actually the conditions on the ground are much better than they were in 2018.

The economy's in much worse shape, Trump's approval is in much worse shape. Uh, there was an ongoing, uh, uh, Iran war, the tariffs, the, uh, the corruption finally breaking through. And that was a justification for believing hopefully things were as good as 2018. But of course, we now can say, you know what, the situation on the ground was much worse, and we did much better.

Yeah, I mean, the the Teflon Don era is over. He is, he does not have magical powers, he does not defy gravity. He is a typical politician, and now a failed one. And on his Um, and on the way way out, out, and on his way out, and so th that is good. And like, we don't have to be scared of this guy. And the one. The one thing I really wanna drive home, though, is like, I I think we cannot overstate how catastrophic the decision to go to war with Iran was.

Like it is. In some sense, it's like stating the obvious, but, um, Democrats need to internalize that verdict from voters and then course correct. Like, we need to say, okay, there's a continuing resolution going through the Senate, uh, December eleventh. We should say we will not vote to fund the government unless you cut off funding for the illegal war. When we take up power, Democrats should force votes to constrain him or make him end the war with Iran.

We should impeach Peg Pete Hegseth, like, I just want us to, like, get back to being the anti war party. I think it's unbelievably important. And like the reason for this result,

I mean, I think yes. And the reason is people don't like war. They also don't like the fact what war did to the price of everything here. I mean, Donald Trump ran

yep, inflation.

in twenty, the reason he won again in 2024, when none of us thought, um, that, uh, the country would want another term of Donald Trump. After everything he did is because people were really pissed about prices. And he said, I'll bring prices down, and he did not do that. Not only did he fail to bring prices down, he increased prices with the tariffs first, and then with the Iran war.

And then was like, I don't give a shit,

And then said, I don't give a shit. And then, by the way, I'm making billions of dollars, and so are all my friends, and all I care about is my home renovations and fuck you all, basically. And so, in some ways, it is a shocking result, in other ways, you're like, well, yeah, when you do that to the country and people are hurting, and you're basically just flaunting it in in front of flaunting your wealth. And like, just, you know, running around every day.

Like he fucking. He ended the campaign, the midterm campaign, in front of the Lincoln Memorial, holding up signs talking about algae in the fucking reflecting pool. Like, Yeah, of course this happened.

yes. And every step of the way, when he went out there, he seemed intent on making his political problems exponentially worse. He could never feel not that Trump can feel anyone's pain. He couldn't even acknowledge anyone's pain about the economy, because to do so would admit that he had failed in some way, shape or form. He went out there and did that, he did whatever. It was twenty eight rallies in the last month, gaslit every the the public at every single one of them bragged and talked about his home reno projects the whole time, which everyone hated.

Just like the Democratic message was, he does not care about your costs, he is not focused on them. And he went and and did rallies where he explicitly said, I don't care about your costs, and then talked about all the things he's focused on other than their costs.

it. It shout out to all the bozos who said Obama was an elitist who was out of touch for making a cheesecake factory joke. And then Obama baited Trump into, like, five more days of defending his home renovations and like, stapling gold to the wall or whatever.

Democrats gained 36 points in every county that has a cheesecake factory, That's so I I mean, I made that

No, I that where we're going with that,

That feels good.

um, and also like, I mean, we're talking about Trump. But every single Republican that lost tonight and the ones who didn't, none of them said a fucking word. Like I, uh, I. If a Democratic president had done half of what Donald Trump did over the last two years, the party would have been, it would have been a fucking uproar. And pe, you know, and they said nothing, and so they all lost. and it's Great.

it's Trump's fault because they had, at least they were doing a piss poor, half assed job of it. But a month ago, you know, you have, uh, sa. Congresswoman Salazar in Florida talking about deportations, you have members of Congress in Texas talking about deportations, you have Mike Rogers and Ashley Hansen talking about ending the war and tariffs. And then Trump says, I'm gonna come to your town and you're gonna have to stand next to me while I defend and promote the war and the tariffs.

And they have to stop just doing all those things and run with Trump.

also, I mean, I the the scale of the victory tonight is like Stunning nothing we have seen.

in our lifetimes. I mean, Yeah, not even in 2,000 and my lifetime.

2008, the margins in 2008, because it was, uh, we won a presidency, plus the huge majorities that swept into Congress is probably the most analogous. But in terms of the sheer what the House vote is gonna be, I mean, it's like up to, uh, the the New York Times needle estimates up to like thirteen a D plus thirteen, uh, night nationally is something I've. I haven't seen on the Democrat or Republican side since Nineteen, what, you

1974.

1974.

yeah, we're like liberal cicadas, you know? Yeah, every 17 years you pop up, you mate, Or even then you die.

2010, when the national the popular vote was t, or 2008, the popular vote was ten points. So we're bigger than that, we're bigger than the year. Obama won, beat McCain by seven points and won 365 electoral votes.

It's really built up, you know, built up over ten years. Everyone just had to

well, it's like, right, you know, look, there. I feel like part of the the reason. There's so much sort of, I don't know, brittleness and and and anxiety on the left is like. Both on the part of politicians and people who just think about politics or care about politics. Is this feeling of like, not knowing the country and feeling unmoored by that? And a lot of the reaction, a lot of the, you know, Democrats. Whether it's shifting left in 2020, sort of, uh, tw- in the twen, raising their hands at times just to try to win people over.

And then not being sure how to fight Trump, kind of losing their sense of the country. And in part, it's because there's never been this kind of rebuke, right? It takes us days to find out that Joe Biden has won. 2018 is disappointing, and now, like this twenty. It is,

wasn't. D I mean, it was

it was just a split verdict, cause he it was, but kept, he but he kept kept the Senate.

his, he kept the Senate. Well, look, he was, uh, at the time, unprecedented. Obviously, what he's done now makes that look like a visit to the cheesecake factory. But but the

the good old days. but. But

I think there's a lot of us, like people that have been hyper engaged in politics. Sort of like, where, like, where is everybody? And now we have a victory in Kansas for the first time, what in ninety four years, ninety four years, a fact I stole from you from a previous broadcast. And and uh, uh, we're within an inch in Mississippi, I mean, it's extraordinary.

It's the the tribalism went away and people voted on interest. It's nice and people to see.

and the Trump coalition abandoned Trump. Like, where you see where the Democrats made huge gains, were in states with large rural areas. It's why it's why Adam Hamilton won in Kansas, it's why Amy Andrews won in South Carolina, it's why Josh Turek, who was the Democrat, probably most likely to lose of the big four races we talked about. He's up what six points, as we're recording most this right now. most nerve

It's wild. cells.

And I'll just say, you know, uh, the same kind of running, the kind of like anti trans playbook on Tallarico, for example. It turns out that these issues are less salient when gas prices are six. And so I once again suggest the formation of some kind of independent, non binary militia to blow up oil refineries in Russia. That that you would be serving both the interests of democracy in your own country, because the higher the gas prices, the more people like trans people.

I think I don't make there's the the rules. rule. I You should think there's actually

not run for office. no. I So

think there's no evidence that those ads work in any election, cause I actually don't think that's why Kamala Harris lost.

No, it is. It's the reverse of what happened there, which is like when people are struggling financially and they think that the people in power are focused on something other than their financial struggles, they will punish the party in power. And the Republicans made people believe that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris weren't focused on their struggles, and they were focused on other issues, and other right? other people. Yeah, And and and it turns out, in this case with Trump, he really is focused on every other issue but their struggles, which is we we know, because he tells us that all the time.

That was an easier lesson other than but to other than telling good. Runners don't get people to

that on TV, too.

that they can't afford the the shrimp cocktails. That also was part of it, the kind of

so. It says a lot about the the kind of election this was, that the winning the House back was a foregone conclusion, but the margin is obviously pretty astounding. I mean, like I said, we're up to two fifty four, two fifty five projection, uh, for the uh, house majority here. Um, what were some of your favorite house races? uh, or the most notable house races that we won? Maybe the one that you were surprised or you were happy about

I I mean, our several time guest Bobby Pulido in Texas is putting up like Assad numbers in a crushed district. He's, yeah, I think he said, like sixty, 61% in a district Trump won by like seventeen or eighteen. That is crazy now. That's a story of broader trends, but also candidate quality. Like this But we're seeing, is a guy who's like a fate, like a Latin Grammy award winning artist who is not seen as a traditional politician by anybody.

I mean, it's just a recruiting coup.

I mean, Democrats are crushing across the Rio Grande Valley and the largely Latino districts outside of San Antonio. Just if you look at the map, Huge that is blue, swing. Yeah, huge blue. Like Brennan Herrera is one of the worst humans alive is getting absolutely destroyed in that race, the Republican candidate there. I mean, just you look at him, you know the two? We said at the beginning of the outset, the two races to watch because they were the ones where the polls closed first were Kentucky six.

That would be the if we won Kentucky six, that'd be sign of a pretty big blue wave. And if we won Indiana five, it'd be the size, uh, it'd be a tsunami indicator, and we won both of those races.

victorious parts.

It looks like we're gonna s.

No more.

We're gonna sweep most of the House races in North Carolina and probably unseat the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Campaign Committee, the guy in charge of winning the House back for Republicans.

by the way, shout out Zach Davo, cool guy, I like him in, Uh, Kentucky.

I would just say, point Also, that piece out,

of shit. Max Miller lost. Oh, Max Miller lost, that's great, that's great. Uh, Fuck that guy.

Mike Lawler lost in New York. Uh, I'm, I'm like, the anonymous kind of,

Democrats were telling Axios, W could never lose, that was cool.

uh, I also just the, uh, the total backfiring of their gerrymandering scheme, right? Cause I don't know what the final, I don't think we have, I don't think we know the final They failed count yet. everywhere. Uh, but uh, it was, it just they this wave overcame it. I'm I'll be curious to see after if there's anywhere in the country, given the size of this, maybe not. But are there any places with that where where they would?

They've been able to save one or two seats had they not done the gerrymander because of where they've moved the votes around.

yeah. And they're not in dummy Mandor Dan danger in this because there are some seats they're gonna pick up. But in Florida, they were trying to eliminate three Democrats. JArREd Moskowitz, Darren Soto and Kathy Castor, all three of them won with relative ease. They created a new district that they were supposed to be an easy Republican take. We won that district in Alabama after the court decision, they redid, Schmarzenegger they did the whole Schwarn thing to to take down Schmarzenegger figures.

He won with ease.

You think that if they a you add up the seats they i if you add up the seats that they put in jeopardy because of the gerrymandering, uh, and the seats Democrats pick up in California. Like, I'm saying, do have they net, have they netted positive?

oh, over the whole thing, that's a great question.

I think we don't know,

Yeah, we don't know yet. I I think, mean, if they're Randy I think Vandy, people say I I think what's that? what's

almost all of their Florida and Texas gerrymanders failed, failed. and and those were the two biggest. So like, I, y, there, right, there's a few.

there's a there's a real specific definition of a dummy mandor that I don't think they hit. But yes, the whole effort was a complete failure.

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All right, let's get to the biggest story of the night, which is the Senate. Uh, cause that was the only the real question heading into the night as of right now. Um, we have a few races that haven't been called. Uh, in Michigan, about half the votes are in. Uh, Abdul is ahead by, uh, about a point and a half of this recording. But the times, uh, the needle has him at like more than 95% Wayne County has chance of winning.

not in, which is Yeah, that's that is why, insane. um, and that always happens with Michigan, big liberal and

dumps coming. big liberal, huge hm, hm.

dumps. Uh, and uh, they think maybe he'll win by five or more, maybe six. Uh, the last time I saw it, uh, we don't Mississippi have any numbers yet from Alaska, so we don't have that yet. But, uh, everything else, Mississippi yeah, Mississippi

is so s too close to call. Scott, Scott Yeah, Mississippi's Scott, just get what it what's he T tightens up,

doing? it's tightening. He he He really? Yeah,

cleans people out. Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy.

yes, he just, he just just as we were talking, he just took the lead. Um, so that's that's happening, uh. But we've already flipped Democrats have flipped seven Senate seats and held Georgia. Uh, biggest surprises there Annie Andrews pulling out a four point win in South Carolina, um, Lindsey Graham's old seat, beating Darleen Graham, Adam Hamilton cruising to a five point win in Kansas. Uh, bye bye, Roger Marshall, um, those are the the the big stunners so far.

Annie Andrews, Adam Hamilton, and, uh, I don't know, those were the big ones. But like, what, what do? What do you guys think of the surprise in the Senate? Like, I was shocked that the South Carolina thing happened, like, and shocked Annie Andrews winning would have been a surprise enough. The fact that she won by that much is crazy.

and the Annie Andrews one is the most surprising. Not that she won, like we had talked about how it was a possibility. The race was incredibly close, and that Times poll that came out this week was essentially tied. But the assumption always was that enough Republicans would come home and she won with ease. They called that race so quickly, it was hard to believe. Kansas is obviously on its face incredibly surprising that it wasn't even on the map six months ago.

Adam Hamilton gets in the race, makes it, you know, turns, runs an incredible campaign, is an incredible candidate. Roger Marshall, possibly the worst candidate to ever walk the face of the planet, not named Ken Paxton. And but even like, heading into the week, you're talking to people who are involved in trying to win the Senate. They were very confident about Kansas, like more confident about Kansas than even Iowa or Iowa, Ohio. Um, and be just because Marshall was so bad, you could see it.

And, you know, you and I talked about on YouTube, but you guys talked about on the podcast. That ad that Adam Ham that, uh, Roger Marshall ran, which is such a like. He might as well just put up a sign that said, I'm trailing by massive amounts in the polls. That's why you do those things. Um, but Annie Andrews, I like, that is a stunning victory. She is an awesome candidate, she is gonna be an awesome senator.

I think there's one thing that's worth noting. Just think about the Senate class that's coming in Talarico, Adam Hamilton, Annie Andrews, uh, Abdul Abdul. Just Trey Jackson, a Walker, just like the like, really talented, really interesting people from all different kinds of walks of lives, many of them not pol, not traditional politicians, any way, shape or form. Like, it's it, like this will be one of those Senate classes that I think people will talk about for a very, very long time.

a. And also it's just another indication that candidate quality really matters. Like, the South Carolina Republicans naming Lindsey Graham's sister and just like passing along a senate seat like it's a dynastic thing was a disaster. And you know, we saw candidate quality really hurt Republicans in 2022, like her, eh? Voters in Georgia were like, No, Herschel Walker's a moron. We're not voting for this guy. But Chuck Schumer d deserves credit for recruiting some really great candidates.

Candidates we're not even talking about, like, you know, in in North Carolina, and you know, the other yeah. Roy Cooper, state, Roy Cooper. Sherrod Brown, like Yes, like, we just swept, Zach, Josh, Turek, Yeah, um, but also, like, some great candidates, um, emerged through the primary process. Abdul, Annie Andrews, right? It's like an exciting moment of like, the the bench we now have.

Yeah, also, there's a lot of like, uh, talk about the way in which Trump obviously sort of sabotaged the whole operation here. He gets behind Ken Paxton, gets behind Darlene Graham and fine, uh, but uh, these are all people that won their primaries, right? Texas Republicans, South Carolina Republicans. They saw the choice, they watched that debate, and they still voted for her. Whether it's because Trump told, told to told them to, or because Trump was seeing what, what they were seeing, whatever, uh.

And I also wonder what kind of evaluation you'll see on the Republican side of what led them to this moment. And it will be, of course, about sort of Trump, but also the voters were they they. There was just because Trump says so. There have been examples of people defying Trump's will in some of these primaries, but they went, but they got behind Ken Paxton and they fucked themselves.

Susan Collins, Senator No More, uh, called the race for Troy Jackson. That was another one everyone was a little worried about towards the end. Some of the polling was a little iffy on that. Um, as of now, uh, he's up by five points, uh, six points, and um, they call she called him to concede. So I I do think there's some of these races when there's a wave this big. And this is sort of what the hope was.

Even if a candidate is strong like Susan Collins, or you're, it's an you know, candidate who didn't have a whole race to get well known like Troy Jackson. Like, the wave just carries you along

yeah, I mean, this is a weird or or you race.

can't, or you can't fend off the wave if you're like a Susan Collins.

Susan Collins can end up being one of the greatest Republican ever performers, even in this election. If you know, it's a it's a state. Kamala Harris won by eight points in a plus thirteen Democratic environment, and she loses by five or six. But you know what, you benefited from this once in 2020, and now you're gone, so cool,

uh, there were a few heartbreakers in Florida. Angie Nixon Surpri another shocker came within three points of Ashley Moody, beating the polls in a state that Trump carried by thirteen points in 2024. Um, we talked about Mississippi, which is still happening right now. Uh, Louisiana, with 95% of the vote counted, uh, Democrat Jamie Davis is losing to Julia Letlow by just under five points. That's a state Trump won by twenty two points.

Didn't even see Louisiana, well, that's that's a

the the Republican polling. It worse, cause there was that report right before Trump agreed to do the last minute teller rally in Louisiana that there was, uh, six points in the internal polling.

I mean. The Florida thing was interesting because Florida counts the votes really fast. And also throughout the day, they they're constantly providing updates. So you can sort of, like, start looking at the tea leaves in the Florida turnout, and it did seem throughout the day that all the turnout reports were they weren't they, they were like Republicans turning out, but it wasn't. It was basically matching the polls from Florida. And then it turns out that, like the the turnout was not what Republicans needed in Florida.

But the persuasion, when they started opening the ballots and counting them, suddenly, like a lot of the deep R places, there was just a bunch of Democratic votes there for both Angie Nixon and David Jolly, who both came pretty close to winning their races. David Jolly, uh, in the governor's race, uh, just lost by, I think, two points to Byron Donalds and Angie Nixon by a couple points to, uh, Ashley Moody.

the Florida moment was, like, very personally meaningful for me. Because in 2016, when they dumped all that Florida voter, and that's the moment we all knew that things were not looking like they were supposed to. I remember talking to someone, uh, like a Democratic operative who was like, or in and around the Clinton campaign. And who basically said to me, if our numbers are that wrong in Florida, they're wrong everywhere. You were, you were on I, the email chain, I believe, I do remember, it was, um, I remember that, yeah.

And I remember then in 2020, same thing happens again, and you realize, oh, Biden is not gonna walk away with this like we thought 2024. That's when you knew we were in an era of skipped everywhere. Cause you had, like Osceola County and all these other places with massive Latino swings. And to have the Florida numbers come in and show something good for us was like an out of body experience.

Do you remember that? We were talking about this? So when, when you and I had agreed to go on NBC, and it was r, it was we, we reali. It was the the final fifteen seconds before

oh my god.

we would have had to admit on just be on television while same as Trump was gloating, all over. Yeah, it was over. We still had a moment of just pretend there was hope. yeah, that's Back when Tony

Hinchcliffe was gonna deliver the election to Kamala. that's right. Turned out happened.

that the the plur, the Puerto Rico vote was not moved by the James Hinchcliffe joke.

maybe it was just delayed. Yes, never

Uh, little update from you guys. wrong, only early. Yes, Uh, Louisiana is only, uh uh, Jamie Davis is only down two points now.

what?

it's funny, the stories we're not talking about. Like, Josh Shapiro just got 60% in the swing state of Pennsylvania in his race. And And it's like,

brought in a bunch of House Democrats the same way I agree,

John Ossoff won by eighteen points. eighteen I think that's the points. the latest

in a state that Trump won.

David Crowley's up six in the governor's race in Wisconsin.

I don't even, yeah, they called that race. Um, Hey, hey, great, Roy Cooper, where, where? where's Roy Cooper at? Is he like a fifteen point margin? I don't.

I think I think they might have done it like a little league game where you're up nine, nothing, and they call the mercy rule.

yeah, it's yeah. It's like, all right, everybody, ice pops. I feel like it's, um, I think it's also maybe a a an okay night for having contentious primaries and it not mattering in the end, right? Like, you know, e, even up to and including, uh, the late Haley Stevens, may her memory be a blessing.

Roy Cooper's up twenty fifty nine thirty Hey, nine.

is that re really?

That's a New York Times

That's wild. 95%

of the vote.

are we doing a separate Michigan category?

No, we're about to do Texas, so s so stick with us. Uh, James Talarico, heard of him? He's going to the Senate. He crushed Ken Paxton, who

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let me just fucking the New York Times, their their website could be a little easier to read when you're just It's the best. boo there, you know,

hoo. They do a great service to us.

Real lives.

they know I love them more than I will just anything. say, I think Honestly, Nate, and, you know, let's all reflect things

on Nate Cohen's cowardice in not predicting this wave,

yep, uh, in his refusal to actually admit how good the numbers really were. both nates, our Nate, our Nate, Sure, we're, we're claiming him aren't they? for, uh, yeah, Yeah, that's right, he's ours yeah,

now, our Nate, the other Nate. They he was, yeah, crushed

they. It was a good night for down the model, ballot for Nate. good night for Flipper,

the model still count. Ma yeah, night for we love Heath for Boy you know, for those who yeah, it fucking followed Clay Travis,

the stroke. yeah. Did he

bro, is shit.

make that bet?

Tough night for the all in pod.

did. did Nate ever get that bet? I wanna I'm sorry,

no, go ahead. God damn we're we were gonna,

we were gonna save this one Sorry, sorry, for towards the end. Oh, is it? Wait, Yeah, that's I know, sorry, so but I, I, it's hard.

it's sorry. Where are we on the part of the outline? That says, score settling?

No, that's after Michigan.

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Texas. Uh, let's talk about Texas, because it's not just James Tally. Go. Gina Inahosa, Uh, is gonna be the governor of Texas now, defeating Greg Abbott by a bunch. But what is it? Six points now, five points? Uh, the Texas legislature is flipping

State statewide was a seventeen

the railroad commissioner. Uh, John Rosenthal is gonna be the new R Bo French Don't ask went down.

Bo French.

chu chu.

Gina Gina right now on It's not the Times

about, it's not about trains,

is fifty three forty six.

it's about oil and gas pipelines. For some reason,

I mean, what the fuck happened in Texas?

Like Ken Paxton was a terrible candidate, like historically bad, corrupt, terrible human being, couldn't keep his dick in his pants. Like all the things you don't want in a candidate, he was terrible. Greg Abbott is like a very strong candidate. People were worried about him. He is a machine, he had a lot of money. Jeanine Inahosa came out of nowhere, she had no money, no one was paying attention to this race. She kicked So she came his ass,

on the podcast.

she kicked his ass. yeah, they're gonna Yeah,

try to blame, they're gonna try Twice to two appearances, twice, two appearances, they're gonna try to blame, uh, kind of the appearances Kemp,

and then and then connect them to the wins. that's fair, that's

what I'm talking about.

hey. How many times did Kamala come on? 2024? Score settling? Uh, do you think they're gonna try to blame? They're gonna try to blame Ken Paxton for Dra dragging them all down? And I'm sure that's part of it, but it won't be, won't be a You can't, clean blame. They can't Gina ran a great find a part of it. No, campaign. Yeah, no no, of course, I'm saying, uh, you c like, I'm sure in some way, Ken Ken Paxton is obviously not a help to the ticket.

He probably whatever, but they're gonna try to lay in on him and they can't.

but a statewide Republican massacre in Texas, like the ingredients for that were. And you saw this in the turnout numbers today, too, as they were coming in, like the rurals just didn't turn out in Texas. Um, and you know, in the big counties, the turnout was strong, especially before election day. The South Texas Latinos in South Texas and everywhere just swung way to the left. And so, you know, what you started seeing in 2018, I think, with Beto coming within two and a half points of Cruz.

And he got like that huge suburban vote out of, like Dallas and Houston and Travis County, Austin, everything. And then you combine the Latino swing that you saw in South Texas, plus Ken Paxton and Greg Abbott. And I think, you know, Greg Abbott's a much stronger candidate than Ken Paxton. But also, he's been governor for three terms, he was running for a fourth term. And I think people in Texas, like after how many years of full Republican control of your state?

And you're pissed off about prices and things haven't gotten any better. You're like, let's try something new.

they knew who to blame.

the way to understand Texas, and I think the whole thing, is that the Republican Party reverted back to the pre Trump Republican Party in terms of its turnout and its vote share coming out of rural areas. And the Democratic Party stayed in its post Trump form, which by just driving out massive turnout from. Not just urban areas, but also rural areas. And then you get a Latino swing that's not back to even where it was with Beto, but back to a 2020 level.

And that is a form that where you were gonna do very, very well in a state like Texas.

I also just like, gotta give the flowers to, like everyone who has organized in Texas for the last decade or more. Because this doesn't just happen because it's a like a wave year and they get swept in, like, obviously, that's part of it. But what what people on the ground in Texas have built to make this possible, uh, over many elections, where they've lost. And then people roll their eyes after the election and be like, Oh, everyone, blue Texas, it's Lucy just a dream.

with the football, Yeah, why is that? Why are Democrats looking at Texas again? Like people on the ground there, they just kept working, kept organizing. and that's Yeah,

the thing now we have to. This is one of the great parts about having Gina as governor is we have to build on it. Because Texas has to be a battleground state in 2028, and once you get to twenty thirty two, there is no real path to a sustainable Electoral College majority without Texas.

uh, except now that we have Kansas, I'm just kidding. And and, of course, Mississippi, the new battleground of Mississippi.

uh, so Gina Inahosa, new governor of Texas. We got some other big governor wins, uh, in Ohio, Amy Acton beat that piece of fucking shit Vivek Ramaswamy, uh, by five and a half points so far. Uh, in Georgia, uh, um, Kisha Lance Bottoms handily beat Rick Jackson by more than eight to become the first Black woman governor in American history. Um, any other governor's races that I'm missing out there? Iowa, Iowa Rob Sand, Amazing. Rob Sand crushed, Rob Sand crushed.

seven one.

Where are things in Kansas right now? As you look at this, you got your laptop,

I don't know.

Demra? Cindy Hirscher was leading, She really uh, we went in to did. W, we went in to record this bud,

So in Kansas, she's up fifty, uh, Cindy Holscher's up 50.4 to 49.6, so so we could have a new governor in Kansas.

What's the latest in California's governor's race? Javier Becerra is Hm,

gonna be the governor in Kansas. You're California, fine with ours. Uh, sorry, California, um, obviously. Amy Klobuchar, Hannah Pinge in Maine, Amy Klobuchar Jocelyn Benson, in Minnesota, Jocelyn Benson is crushing in Michigan. Uh oh, and we talked about David Crowley in Wisconsin, anything a lot of like that. What Democratic governors.

about we don't know? We don't know enough from Nevada yet about Aaron Ford?

Uh, no, but he's gonna he, uh, take it to the bank, Aaron Ford's gonna oh, n bank it. oh. One good election Um,

we're making predictions again. I love thank it.

I if you, but California,

you. I've been look, I've been, I've been. I've been maybe perusing John Ralston's blogs here and there.

he's a good.

But it. But like the most Americans will live in states governed with a that have that have a a Democratic governor, most states will have a Democratic governor. I believe now, uh, and we now have Democratic governors in what we hopefully battleground like Texas, but also Georgia and uh, uh, in Wisconsin and a bunch of states. That'll that'll be, uh, uh, places where they could contest an election in a future, uh, presidential. Like, I think it's just gonna matter for election integrity, whatever Trump tries and whatever they try,

The Georgia one matters a ton because Brian Kemp and the and the Rep. How and the state legislative Republicans already said they're gonna redraw the maps in Georgia next year. And now they cannot do that because we have the governorship.

hm. Also, if if one of the senators from Georgia, or maybe both, or, you know, either or, would like to run for president in 2028. Now we have a Democratic governor in that state who could, uh, rep, you know, appoint their replacement.

Worth noting.

Just something to something to think about.

I will say, I think we all knew that, um, Vivek Ramaswamy was a repulsive, repellent human being who was just so annoying that you could imagine being in a room with him, let alone being governed by him. But um, the fact that his disgusting ad about Amy Acton maybe cost him the race and also helps lead Sherrod Brown to victory is a wonderful repudiation of him as a human being. But also of just like the the the politics of dis divisiveness and just like cravenness that we've all gotten used to being effective.

Because we're all old enough to have been around in 2002. And Max Cleland, who was a triple triple amputee, lost a senate race by being called soft on national security and soft on terrorism, right? So, like,

Seems like nothing compared to what I they faked.

know, so we've s. We've seen this shit work, and just to see it blow up in his face so spectacularly was wonderful.

it's extra. I was thinking about how how great that is. And just that. Here's someone who has always been kind of a slimy guy. And just in the home stretch of a campaign, loses touch with whatever he's pretending he is and just lets his demon out. And he will be now, for this foolish reason, of a backfiring ad, will be defined by it for the rest of his fucking life. This is what we talk about, the Max Cleland ad.

I mean, he We are gonna has a tennis talk about this ad. career, I think, well, Yeah,

he has a big tennis career.

oh yeah, plus, and the and the tennis, right? yeah, probably not and baseball,

as a baseball coach.

yeah, I was gonna say,

yeah, not so much baseball.

um, so Trump seems to be handling this all pretty well.

I think actually usually you'd say that as a joke, I kinda think that's true,

No, I mean, I'm, you know, first. He posted that if he was on the ballot, Republicans would have won in a landslide. his inaugural rating Um,

was thirty nine in the exit poll.

yes, right, yeah. And then he did a phone interview with the New York Times, where he said he'd absolutely accept the results and look forward to working with Democrats. Then he posted an image of a MAGA hat with the word veto on it instead, then opposed attacking Greg Abbott as a rhino who deserved to lose. Um, he bitched for a while about candidate quality, which is interesting because his handpicked candidates, Darlene Graham, Ken Paxton, Vivek Ramaswamy Vivek Ramaswamy.

Um, there's a couple other that I'm missing, too, all of his handpicked candidates. Oh, Mike Collins in Georgia, Yep, Michael Whatley, He pushed Michael Whatley in North Carolina,

yes, he pushed Tillis out, basically in North Carolina. He, like, kind of, he didn't drive Brian Kemp out in Georgia, but, you know, he made it harder for him to run.

yeah, so can equality were his candidates. And so he, he, he said all this, and then he rounded it all out with a a brief appearance on Fox News. Um, let's listen.

Well, I'm a little bit surprised. I thought they'd do better. We had tremendous rallies and I wasn't on the ballot. If I was on the ballot, they would have got there. You know, they just weren't inspired. They really probably weren't willing to do the short term consequence of playing, paying more for gasoline. And that, you know, I understand that some of the candidates that I endorsed, they fought me, and they didn't like that, they fought me.

No matter how good the president is, uh, you lose, I don't know why. It's just a point in time, Brett, it's just a point in time. It's the way it is.

can you just imagine that level of punditry? Like that is somebody that you should be talking to at like, a like. A senior care facility who you're serving and who's like, used to be involved in politics and still watches it on the TV and then comments on it from time to time. Like, it's someone like, like, and they even on the during the at the end of the interview, they're like, that's a great point, sir. Uh, uh, good night, have a good night, get, okay, get some sleep, buddy.

It was like like they they were done with him before he was done. they cut him off, Yeah,

What do we think happens with Trump next? What? what does he? does he? does he stay, Matt He? D I? I don't think this whole like I'll work with the Democrats

yeah, he was gonna rage. thing.

you don't.

I I I think tomorrow he probably restarts the war with Iran, cause he knows like a good conflict will change the narrative. And, you know, we get like an insane, unhinged Donald Trump again.

Yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna spen like right now he can do this like very momentary. I don't even know what you would describe what that was, but it wasn't lashing out.

conciliatory approach.

Yes, yes, that's a good

How about that?

way to put it. Um, and then he's gonna consume all. The news coverage just says he's a giant loser. The world's worst yeah, no, it's dad. Or he's gonna be crazy. fuming. There's gonna be a lot of and he's mood in the White House

gonna make all of us, stories. yeah, ketchup on the wall.

Yeah, but that he, yeah, that's a fine. Yeah,

I saw a lot of people make that joke today. he's, he's gonna be,

Orange Cheeto is really mad now. You got him.

yeah, pro, yeah, the. He's needs someone to blame, he can't. He could be mad at Democrats, he could get out and demo can't blame Democrats for this. He has to find someone else to kind of vent his What the cause.

all the fucking pussies in the Republican Party are blaming other people. Ron DeSantis is like, Oh yeah, Christy Noem is at fault, right? And Christy Noem is like, the reason we lost is cause we were too successful in the first term. It's like you are a bunch of embarrassing losers who all think you can run in 2028. And you think that you need to kiss the ring because Trump's endorsement will decide who the nominee is.

And maybe that's right, but it is gonna prevent the reckoning that they actually need inside that party. Including on the set of Fox News, where Brett Baer is like, Okay, sir, well, I love you and I hope you sleep tight tonight. Fucking pathetic, fucking cowards,

I just wanna like your point on Christy Noem. This is an actual, an actual quote from Christy Noem. And she she tweeted this. Larry Kudlow is correct. We were too successful the first year of the Trump administration, too. We we, we cared too much, and that's why

Worked too hard.

they lost.

that's why they lost, they cared too much.

I, I don't.

Um, but yeah, I think he's, uh, I think he's gonna get pretty pissed now. Here's a question to the to your point, Tommy, about the Pussies in the Republican Party. Um, are they fi? Do you think Republican? This is it? Like? To me, I feel like the bloodletting within the Republican Party is is gonna be like we haven't seen in in in the whole Trump era. Because these people now, like, he's on his way out, he's.

He was a lame duck before this, now he's the lamest of lame ducks. And the th the thing that they were all worried about, which is like, oh, Trump has this hold on the base. And if I piss Trump off, you know, he could turn the base against me and I can lose my job. Well, a bunch of their colleagues have already lost their jobs, uh, and so they're out of politics now. So w if you're a Republican in Congress, like, why

Why still do this whole thing where you just kiss Trump's ass the whole time?

I mean, th that is the existential question, right? They they are should theoretically be under no pressure to do so. Are they do they? are they? do they? Worried that he'll endorse their primary opponent in 2028? Will that matter? I He's, don't know.

he said in that interview, he was like, Yeah, people say, whoever I, whoever I endorse in 2028, whoever Trump endorses is gonna win. Didn't say So that, there's like, there's

two separate questions. There is people who are thinking of running for president and how they have to wanna stay in Trump's favor. I think that's one question. And then there is just like you are. The a random Congress person who is in, you know, prob. There aren't gonna be a lot of them in any of them are purple districts because we won all those seats, but you're a random Congress person. What is your incentive to keep doing this?

And if you are a student of history, which none of them are, um, except maybe some periods of Germanic history, but um, the um. But is, you know, that it's very possible that this is part one of a two part wave? This could be an oh six, oh eight, so the people who did not break with Bush after oh six paid a steep price in 2008 and lost their seat. yeah, but

it's but see, I think that's. But it was not because they were afraid of George W. Bush as a figure, it was what, like, there's two parts of what it means to go against Trump, right? Like, why does Paxton beat Cornyn? I think it's part because Trump's word goes a long way, but a and Trump's attacks matter. But it's also because being seen as a Trump antagonist in any way, or being seen as a Trump ally, is a shorthand for the kind of people that fight, the people we don't like, right?

Like, the base made a lot of self destructive decisions, right? Like, what? What you're saying is, will these other politicians convince the base not to be self destructive and willing to take that bet? And so far, they're really saying, you know, Trump can't fail, he can only be failed. And you see internet, you see these little versions of a fight that are about his viziers, you know? And and and why he's been failed by Noam, or failed by Vance, or failed by the foreign policy, uh, advisors,

I think there's a difference between people. Like taking off the MAGA hat and putting on the lingua franca sweatshirt, sweater and and like being for impeachment or whatever that is.

and throw that.

It is, but I think it is. But there is like, are they just going to right? His in Homo house, weeboo, sexual yes, are they gonna break with him on thing,

beto did that.

on things of that may matter politically, like the tariffs and the war? There gonna be a whole bunch of those votes with Democrats in charge, where they gonna be?

right? But like Mike, that that we've like on tariffs, specifically, they've all felt like they've had room to do that, right? Like, I think there's something

not to vote to actually get rid of them.

no, but to oppose them on the campaign trail.

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well, let's talk about the next two years. Um, so, as for Democrats, uh, the most widely shared Democratic response, uh, from Congress, was a two word press release from incoming House Oversight chairman Robert Garcia. Just says, lawyer up, and that was the one that was read on Fox. Um, what do you guys think about that?

I think we should do a little more. I think we should investigate every single thing. They should be investigated. That is absolu that is our. That is like the constitutional obligation for these folks. Because Trump's gonna pardon every single person. We also just need to put it all in the historical record of every single thing that happened. The public needs to know about the depths of it. I also think that making it our entire identity as a party is probably not the best politics.

No, it's it's actually bad, bad politics. Yes, yes, that's, that's That's

that was my point. so Hey, yeah,

im that's why I put a finer point on uh, hey, I'm it.

gonna invent a phrase here, and I don't know, I'm. I think this is gonna make a lot of sense. I think it's gonna be really cool, okay, cause it's kind of something that peop we gotta walk and chew gum at the same time. Hm, so smart, You know what I mean,

good concept.

so smart.

like, but you get what I'm saying with that.

Can I read you something that's gonna bum you guys out? Uh,

I can you.

John Foon told Punchbowl News that he would not rule out a lame duck SCOTUS confirmation.

I saw that was. Was that his old comment to them, though?

This is from November third. It can be done. You're basically talking about sixty days post election. I certainly wouldn't rule that out. Uh, was that from a while ago?

I know, I thought he, uh, cause I Oh, you're remember him saying

right, it was from July. that, yeah, God damn you, Punchbowl no, I know, I Clickbait fucking know. Well, nerds,

if you, if you, if you were a mem, if you were a subscriber, they would have texted you their you're right. their yeah, punchbowl proper date on that. Punchbowl Pro doesn't do tricks, the that's

tricks are for the non paying people. That's how they get Look, I don't know you. if you all, They give you the real news behind the paywall.

if you all watch Sam. Alito's interview with Jan Crawford, like, I like that guy, wants to serve an extra, he wants to serve now.

He's mad.

Yeah, we never got to the bottom of that. Uh, uh, Nina Nina Totenberg, uh, misbegotten scoop, you know, about Well, saying that Alito was stepping down. yeah, sounds like Nor the Jan it's just

Crawford DMs. We didn't hear talk about that, Yeah, I mean, but it's happening.

I'm always thinking about those Jan Crawford DMs.

I do. I do wanna get back to the the oh my god, Dems You got in the House here, just for a second, because there is a challenge here where, uh, we know that, like, so if you ask what's the best thing for Democrats to do? Focus on affordability. Great, nothing's gonna happen about affordability for two years, nothing. They're gonna pass no legislation, they're gonna pass show votes, message votes. That everyone who pays unbelievably close attention to politics is going to applaud and say great job.

And then no one else in the country is ever gonna hear about it. And then there's gonna be the ability to do investigations that also maybe don't go anywhere. Because he's gonna pardon everyone and then the Supreme Court has decided that the president is immune from criminal prosecution. So, I mean, and I don't know what to do about that, but I do think if I were Democrats in Congress, I would at least make clear to everyone, like, what the reality of the situation is for the next two years.

look, yeah,

I think that's true. Here would be my question about it, which is, yeah, it's not gonna be any sort of big kind of, uh, democratic, uh, uh, agenda. Bills that are gonna be able to get through and get to Trump, fine, but I I do wonder what happens when you have some of these budget fights. There's gonna be fights that involve funding for the military that include the Iran war, and when we draw a line there, there's going to be overall funding fights.

That will include, uh, uh, questions around whether we undo some of the Trump cuts in the Big Beautiful Bill. And do you extract concessions on that? Does Trump threaten to veto it? Do you accept that, keep it as an issue to run on when you would obviously like to undo some of the cuts? Like, I don't, I just have no idea how that shakes out, in part because Looks like the the dynamic government shut has changed,

down or two in our future. yeah. And I mean,

Trump will probably be the one who shuts it down, like he was the last time the Democrats were in charge.

yeah, unless he wants to make a deal to undo the Medicaid cuts, which, you know, maybe maybe Jeffries and Schumer can tell him you can be a hero, you can undo the Medicaid cuts and everyone's gonna love you. I don't know, I think And and I think there's

but there's when, and then you'd say, well, yes, that'll get tied. All of a sudden, there's gonna be these. This is what I mean is like, there's gonna be these real negotiations. And there's gonna be lines in the sand. And there's gonna be a debate about whether we gave too much, if it's worth it, it's worth it. That's that, to me, is those are the big fights to come and that are actually impactful, actually could help on on Medicaid.

well, and and the reason they're gonna be different than the other fights we've had the last ten years is overshadowing. All of those fights will be the 2028 primaries on both sides. yeah, it's gonna drive And so there's gonna be what happens in Congress. That will be the C block and the A and B block will be the Democratic primary and the Republican primary.

I mean, think about 2006, right? So Democrats win this huge victory. Nancy Pelosi becomes the first female speaker, it's it's a gigantic deal. They take power on January third, on January thirteenth, Barack Obama announces he's running for president. Hillary Clinton announces two weeks later, and some things, a lot of things happened in the House. There were really high profile investigations. The Democrats actually did get Bush to sign a minimum wage bill in that period, but it became the Democratic primary right away.

and the Republican primary, yeah,

And the and this, and that, very busy Republican yes,

primary there, too.

yeah, we have a similar thing going on here too.

Yeah, okay, before we go, uh, we wanna take just a quick moment to be, um, as promised, petty as hell and play you some of the highlights of, uh, right wing commentators just being kinda sad. This watch party is best described as quiet, subdued and apprehensive.

Trump ran around the country saying, vote as if I'm on the ballot, and that's exactly what happened.

I wish it was two years ago. South Carolina again. Sean Brutal. It's sad to me, you know, uh, ended tragically. Can we do a spin on the races that? Oh, I'm sorry, Garrett, I guess we're on TV. People that have gone around the country saying, act like I'm on the ballot, and then tonight post I wasn't on the ballot.

Well, it was a metaphorical, not gonna sugarcoat it. There's a political science term for what's happening, it's called a country ass whoopin. That's what's happening right now. Yeah,

I love the can we do a spin on the good results? Just caught alive, caught alive. uh, sorry, I think go ahead,

what he was saying was a spin around to the various states if we're defending Bret, I don't like Bret Baer. Yeah, sorry, I I think know that, that's what happened there.

I know that you're a big Bret I'm not trying Baer fan.

to fake news us here, you know what I good, mean, good, yeah, hey, but yeah,

just we play it, we

it's beautiful.

play it fair here, we play it right.

Um, I don't know anyone want to react to any of that? Or Uh, there we can, we can was a defend Bret Baer.

there was a a Washington Post reporter who was did a update from the Vivek Ramaswamy, uh, uh, concession party. And he talked to someone, I'm gonna paraphrase this, but he talked to somebody. And and and the guy was like, I'm not doing so good. I bet a lot of money on this, and I, and and that's a crazy thing to have done, uh, but uh, you were at the Vivek party betting on Vivek. Uh, uh, Boy, what a weird boy, I'm glad I'm.

Yeah, reality. sort of someone on the other side of that bet. I'm happy for. Johnny I mean,

Johnny Manziel was parlaying the, uh, the Texas Tech game and Ken Paxton to win on Cal. She like, this is not good. We Did Texas should be

Tech win?

yes, they did. He blew up his parlay. Um, and

looks Elon Musk. Yeah, half a

thank you, Dan. billion. Thank you,

I know it doesn't matter

thank you.

to him, but it's nice half a billion,

Half $1 million. He spent $200 million in Texas alone.

on Paxton.

He tried to buy for the Senate, the single worst candidate to run in modern American history.

Money in politics, bad thing, but does it matter that much?

Not this cycle.

Well, here's I think the take it. Money does matter, obviously, but if you don't have a message, all the money in the world doesn't matter. Or if you start I also stupid with as the saying work.

go, you, the dog has to eat the dog food, you know,

I also think, like, if you it matters to a certain point. And so if there is a spending imbalance where you know the Democratic candidate doesn't have much money at all and the Republican candidate just swamps them right like that, that matters. But if Democrat, if if both candidates can at least get to a certain level where the fucking airwaves are saturated with ads that everyone fucking hates, then at least you can neutralize it. That's not ridiculous, the campaign finance well, also system is right now.

also, if we're gonna be like, sort of nerdily precise about it. What mattered here is Democratic candidates raised a ton of money into their campaigns, so they were able to buy ads at a much cheaper rate than the super PACs, and to the credit of the Democratic super PACs. They understood what the the what the plan was, and they bought. They reserved their time really early and not even having the all the money they needed for that.

And then raising to get to that. Because if you the earlier you buy your ads, the lower rate you have. In the republic. Because Trump sat on his money for so long and Elon came in late, they were spending, you know, 2 times what the House Majority PAC, Senate Majority PAC. So it was like, we basically the demo both the Democratic campaigns and the super PACs ran circles around the ads and helped. They didn't nullify the money advantage, but they made the number of ad the the disparity in ads ran much more narrow than the money would suggest.

I there's also just there's no it's like a it's sort of like the resonant frequency. It's like the the ads can make up the difference. They can they can matter on the margins, but it can't be completely out of rhythm with the country, right? Like, it has to be like an Ad can help push somebody forward, but they have to be on that downswing. There has to be some momentum you're getting behind, some e- something organic and real that you can kind of push otherwise, uh, it just it can't overcome the vibe.

It just can't.

I just wanna pour one out for the Democrats In disarray narrative. Uh, Maine. Turned out that didn't really matter.

Hooray, Michigan. Texas, everyone's like, Hooray.

Oh, Jasmine Crockett is not doing enough for Hooray, hooray, Dallas. We're gonna Hooray. Turned out fine.

Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens. Total That was a fun

News cycle.

Yeah, that was a fun way to close out the campaign. Turns out, no One gave a shit.

And I'll just also say, you have, uh, the exit vote of Jewish voters in Michigan. Was it like 60, 35, something like that? Uh, and, uh, yeah, some people absolutely switched, uh, to Rogers, but the majority of Jewish voters, uh, uh, stuck with Abdul and, uh, voted for Democratic majority. And, uh, I was glad to see it.

What a night, guys.

What a night.

Long time coming.

Not a lot like this.

All right. We're gonna go to bed, See you in seven And I'll think Years. About our just sort of workshop our takes for the rest of the week.

At Cricut Con? Cricutcon. Yeah. Cricutcon. We're all Com.

Heading to Cricutcon tomorrow.

Now now it's a fucking party. Gotta say.

It was a good time.

Boy, we danced to the raindrops on these Cricutcons. Woo!

Would've been hard to hard to pitch this thing if it was a bad night.

No. I'd be returning my ticket. So so

Hey, hey, hey. But now, As opposed

It's gonna be amazing.

Yeah. It's great. So come

See you there.

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